David McCloskey

I know, which shows my ignorance about the fact that there is a sort of vibrant Italian immigrant community in Northern Ireland.

But I mean, I was shocked to find that this is the name.

And a fan of Bond films, apparently.

Yeah.

That was my fact.

I found that interesting.

When you're into Northern Ireland, you can be a fan of sort of British- British intelligence.

Maybe not British intelligence, but British culture, right?

British culture, yeah.

He becomes a fan of Manchester City as well.

And so at the mid-60s, I guess you describe it, there's a civil rights movement that starts in Northern Ireland.

Is the essence of the conflict, I realize this will be an oversimplification, but is the essence of the conflict a Catholic Protestant one, or is it more complicated than that?

And the group that the British army will come into direct conflict with is the IRA.

Yeah.

And that group dates back to, I mean, I guess the Irish fight for independence in 1919, 1920.

And that is going to be the kind of the central conflict here, right?

Will be the British state and the IRA.

And the violence escalates.

There's more and more shootings, bombings.

The British government is really struggling to control things.