David McCloskey

And that, for those who have been listening to our series on Edward Snowden, is the first time, thank you, Gordon, that I have not been forced to read an opening quote from Edward Snowden's memoir, Permanent Record. That is instead... a quote from an absolute bombshell of a new story dropped by The Guardian on June 5th, 2013.

And I will note, though, Gordon, in my effort to take extreme offense at all opening quotes, that this story was broken by a British newspaper, which is also offensive to me. But also an American journalist.

And I will note, though, Gordon, in my effort to take extreme offense at all opening quotes, that this story was broken by a British newspaper, which is also offensive to me. But also an American journalist.

And I will note, though, Gordon, in my effort to take extreme offense at all opening quotes, that this story was broken by a British newspaper, which is also offensive to me. But also an American journalist.

That's right. That's right. Well, and for those tuning in here, we are on our fourth episode of our journey into the darkness of Edward Snowden's leaks.

That's right. That's right. Well, and for those tuning in here, we are on our fourth episode of our journey into the darkness of Edward Snowden's leaks.

That's right. That's right. Well, and for those tuning in here, we are on our fourth episode of our journey into the darkness of Edward Snowden's leaks.

And we are now finally at a point in the story where after Edward Snowden has taken this information, He has got about one and a half million documents on various sort of SD cards and hard drives. He is in Hong Kong now, sort of ensconced in a disgusting hotel room filled with cartons of takeaway food.

And we are now finally at a point in the story where after Edward Snowden has taken this information, He has got about one and a half million documents on various sort of SD cards and hard drives. He is in Hong Kong now, sort of ensconced in a disgusting hotel room filled with cartons of takeaway food.

And we are now finally at a point in the story where after Edward Snowden has taken this information, He has got about one and a half million documents on various sort of SD cards and hard drives. He is in Hong Kong now, sort of ensconced in a disgusting hotel room filled with cartons of takeaway food.

He is now in a room with journalist Glenn Greenwald, Ewan McCaskill from The Guardian, and Laura Poitras, a filmmaker. And now June 5th, 2013, this first article drops and it's a massive one.

He is now in a room with journalist Glenn Greenwald, Ewan McCaskill from The Guardian, and Laura Poitras, a filmmaker. And now June 5th, 2013, this first article drops and it's a massive one.

He is now in a room with journalist Glenn Greenwald, Ewan McCaskill from The Guardian, and Laura Poitras, a filmmaker. And now June 5th, 2013, this first article drops and it's a massive one.

Now, I will interject here.

Now, I will interject here.

Now, I will interject here.

the U.S. intelligence community. In defense of James Clapper, I must interject just a couple other points of context that you have left out of this, Gordon, which is this was an open hearing. Now, for those who have seen the video, It would have been hard, I think, to picture James Clapper looking more uncomfortable when he answered that question.

the U.S. intelligence community. In defense of James Clapper, I must interject just a couple other points of context that you have left out of this, Gordon, which is this was an open hearing. Now, for those who have seen the video, It would have been hard, I think, to picture James Clapper looking more uncomfortable when he answered that question.

the U.S. intelligence community. In defense of James Clapper, I must interject just a couple other points of context that you have left out of this, Gordon, which is this was an open hearing. Now, for those who have seen the video, It would have been hard, I think, to picture James Clapper looking more uncomfortable when he answered that question.

He's constantly sort of scratching his bald head, probably thinking, why in the hell is this guy asking me this question? I think... that the real mistake here that Clapper made was not answering the question in that way, because how could he have answered that responsibly in an open hearing? Yeah. It probably was not correcting the record afterward.