David Navarro
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first heard Sep 2024
last heard Sep 2024
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Reintegrating into society is a big one because when you're in prison, I feel like you're in a totally different world, different rules. And especially when you've done quite a long time, you come out and you have to reintegrate back into society. Then you've got like the housing, relationships. and then trying to take a different path rather than the path that you've been going down.
I think that accounts for certain prisoners. Obviously at the present, between 20 and 30% of prisoners get recalled anyways. And I think some of the people that may have said, you know, I'm going to be back in there, they might be like drug addicts that haven't sorted out their addiction while they're in there. And I think they probably would have got recalled anyways.
For like the people that actually want to change or feel like they want to change their life, we'll take this as an opportunity.
Yeah. I think it's positive as in, because the prisons are full, obviously. And I think we're kind of making a big deal out of it. Maybe, I think some of it's political, you know, trying to get at Labour a bit. Do you know what I mean? But I feel like,
for the people that qualify for it, and I think the maximum time is five years, the earliest they can get out is three months early, which before this, there were schemes like HDC tag, which was like three months early you get out. What is that? Sorry, I just, we don't, it'd be good to explain. So HDC is home detention curfew. It's like a tag. And if you're well behaved in prison,
you kind of, you get eligible to get a tag and come out three months early. But I think that was, if I'm not wrong, I think that was under four years at the time. Yeah. So now this is like five years and under. So they've changed it a little bit, but there's been loads of schemes for people to come out three months early.
I think we're making such a big deal out of this, you know, because so much people was released at one time. I think we're making such a big deal out of it for political reasons. I think the actual thing is, prisoners were going to get released anyways before Christmas.
And also, I'm still unlicensed, by the way. It runs out next year. But my probation told me that they get an extended license. So if they do 40% in prison, they do 60% outside here. So they've come out of prison early, but their sentence hasn't been shortened. So in that 60% of time, they can still get recalled.
Yeah. And it's like Pia said, It could be anything. You know, I've known people to like miss an appointment or like, you know, be in the wrong car without telling them that I'm going to be in this car. Or I didn't tell that person that I'm going to be in Newcastle today or like another part of the country.
And then they get stopped and it's like, all right, you're recalled because you didn't tell us you was going there. It's very strict probation. Yeah.
Yeah, the state of prisons is obviously a shambles. I agree with what you're saying. I feel like if you want to deal with the crisis that's going on, you need to put more into rehabilitation rather than just locking people up and kind of what they're doing.
And me and Pia were speaking about this earlier, that if you look at places like Norway, Holland and these places that put a lot into rehabilitation, the re-offending rate is the least in Europe. But then if you look at England, I think we have the highest like re-offending rates. We have the highest like
lifers and stuff like that in this country like we love to lock people up and if you look at like America they love to do it as well and they're such a bigger country and they give big sentences out like more than your lifetime they'll give out them sentences but that hasn't stopped the offending or the re-offending but then if you look at countries where it's working I feel like we should follow those countries rather than following America or do you know what I mean or like the old way of doing things I think that that's
No. So my answer to that is like, you have different types of people, but the person that's most prone to going to prison, like, you know, someone that doesn't really like authority, they, while they're younger, they don't respond well to punishment, if that makes sense. Like, you know, as a child, I used to get slapped or whatever. And I never ever responded well to that.
I didn't stop doing what I was doing because I would get a slap kind of thing. I just tried to be smart. And some people do get that smack and then they're just like, oh, I don't want to get smacked again. But I think a lot of the people that are prone to go in prison, more troubled kids, they don't respond well to punishment.
Furthermore, like they'll be sat in prison and they'll be getting even more angry at society, even more like, you know, and they're making more links. It's like university or crime prison. So they're coming out even worse. Yeah, I reckon.
It's just giving you more time, I guess. If you built another prison, it'll give you just enough time until that gets filled up. Yeah.
what's the reason what's going on there is you've got like there's something called IPP this was a a law that was made and then the person that made the law is now like campaigning against it oh wow David Blunkett yeah and it got It got stopped. I don't know the word for it, but it got stopped in 2012. But the people that was originally sentenced on IPP are still in.
And it was like, basically, there's people that I know that, you know, are in for stealing like a pedal bike. Yeah. But they've been in for 16 years because they haven't been able to get their parole.
A lot of them don't get parole on their first time, you know, and then because you don't have a release date, what people are not realising, these prisoners that don't have a release date, they're stressed so they end up on drugs in prison or they might hold phones or, do you know what I'm saying?
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