David Navarro

Yeah, the state of prisons is obviously a shambles. I agree with what you're saying. I feel like if you want to deal with the crisis that's going on, you need to put more into rehabilitation rather than just locking people up and kind of what they're doing.

Yeah, the state of prisons is obviously a shambles. I agree with what you're saying. I feel like if you want to deal with the crisis that's going on, you need to put more into rehabilitation rather than just locking people up and kind of what they're doing.

And me and Pia were speaking about this earlier, that if you look at places like Norway, Holland and these places that put a lot into rehabilitation, the re-offending rate is the least in Europe. But then if you look at England, I think we have the highest like re-offending rates. We have the highest like

And me and Pia were speaking about this earlier, that if you look at places like Norway, Holland and these places that put a lot into rehabilitation, the re-offending rate is the least in Europe. But then if you look at England, I think we have the highest like re-offending rates. We have the highest like

lifers and stuff like that in this country like we love to lock people up and if you look at like America they love to do it as well and they're such a bigger country and they give big sentences out like more than your lifetime they'll give out them sentences but that hasn't stopped the offending or the re-offending but then if you look at countries where it's working I feel like we should follow those countries rather than following America or do you know what I mean or like the old way of doing things I think that that's

lifers and stuff like that in this country like we love to lock people up and if you look at like America they love to do it as well and they're such a bigger country and they give big sentences out like more than your lifetime they'll give out them sentences but that hasn't stopped the offending or the re-offending but then if you look at countries where it's working I feel like we should follow those countries rather than following America or do you know what I mean or like the old way of doing things I think that that's

No. So my answer to that is like, you have different types of people, but the person that's most prone to going to prison, like, you know, someone that doesn't really like authority, they, while they're younger, they don't respond well to punishment, if that makes sense. Like, you know, as a child, I used to get slapped or whatever. And I never ever responded well to that.

No. So my answer to that is like, you have different types of people, but the person that's most prone to going to prison, like, you know, someone that doesn't really like authority, they, while they're younger, they don't respond well to punishment, if that makes sense. Like, you know, as a child, I used to get slapped or whatever. And I never ever responded well to that.

I didn't stop doing what I was doing because I would get a slap kind of thing. I just tried to be smart. And some people do get that smack and then they're just like, oh, I don't want to get smacked again. But I think a lot of the people that are prone to go in prison, more troubled kids, they don't respond well to punishment.

I didn't stop doing what I was doing because I would get a slap kind of thing. I just tried to be smart. And some people do get that smack and then they're just like, oh, I don't want to get smacked again. But I think a lot of the people that are prone to go in prison, more troubled kids, they don't respond well to punishment.

Furthermore, like they'll be sat in prison and they'll be getting even more angry at society, even more like, you know, and they're making more links. It's like university or crime prison. So they're coming out even worse. Yeah, I reckon.

Furthermore, like they'll be sat in prison and they'll be getting even more angry at society, even more like, you know, and they're making more links. It's like university or crime prison. So they're coming out even worse. Yeah, I reckon.

It's just giving you more time, I guess. If you built another prison, it'll give you just enough time until that gets filled up. Yeah.

It's just giving you more time, I guess. If you built another prison, it'll give you just enough time until that gets filled up. Yeah.

what's the reason what's going on there is you've got like there's something called IPP this was a a law that was made and then the person that made the law is now like campaigning against it oh wow David Blunkett yeah and it got It got stopped. I don't know the word for it, but it got stopped in 2012. But the people that was originally sentenced on IPP are still in.

what's the reason what's going on there is you've got like there's something called IPP this was a a law that was made and then the person that made the law is now like campaigning against it oh wow David Blunkett yeah and it got It got stopped. I don't know the word for it, but it got stopped in 2012. But the people that was originally sentenced on IPP are still in.

And it was like, basically, there's people that I know that, you know, are in for stealing like a pedal bike. Yeah. But they've been in for 16 years because they haven't been able to get their parole.

And it was like, basically, there's people that I know that, you know, are in for stealing like a pedal bike. Yeah. But they've been in for 16 years because they haven't been able to get their parole.

A lot of them don't get parole on their first time, you know, and then because you don't have a release date, what people are not realising, these prisoners that don't have a release date, they're stressed so they end up on drugs in prison or they might hold phones or, do you know what I'm saying?

A lot of them don't get parole on their first time, you know, and then because you don't have a release date, what people are not realising, these prisoners that don't have a release date, they're stressed so they end up on drugs in prison or they might hold phones or, do you know what I'm saying?