David Pakman

This is not how you get people out of cults.

You say, it's great that you're thinking for yourself.

It's great that you're rethinking

previous mistakes you made.

But I also want to mention this was predictable.

And the way that we know it was predictable is that our entire ecosystem of podcasts and shows was predicting that exactly this would happen.

So it wasn't this completely, nobody could have seen it kind of thing.

And so I think that the approach has to be awesome that Rogan and Schultz and whoever are kind of changing their tone right now.

but they're not absolved of the fact that this was totally predictable and expected.

And they pulled in arguably millions of people, uh, into this, the sort of Trump world, softer Trump supporters maybe than the hardcore mega base.

And you want to make sure that you don't allow that to happen again to you next time around because there will be whoever is after Trump and they're the same sort of mechanism is going to be at play again.

So I think that it's going to have an effect and it's having an effect.

but I want to do everything I can to make sure that we say this was not an unpredictable out of nowhere thing.

We were saying these guys were wrong all along and it turns out they were.

The other thing is also, I don't, increasingly Trump doesn't really have that much to offer a lot of these people anymore when at one point he did because he can't run again.

Okay, I guess- These people being the hosts, the content creators?

Sorry, the Megyn Kellys and these sorts of folks where the incentive to stick with him

for future goodies of whatever kind there might be rides on air force one or Trump rallies for the next campaign or whatever.

I think he's just got a lot less, uh, um, appetizing things to offer a lot of these people at this point.

And so they're making the calculus, their audience is increasingly disaffected.