David Pearce

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So a few years ago, Ben McKenzie, who you might know as an actor, he was Ryan in the OC.

He was in Southland.

He's been in a Batman show.

He's been in movies.

He's been in lots of stuff.

I'm sure you've seen him before.

He became sort of an unlikely voice against crypto in the in the pandemic heat of the crypto craze.

Ben was one of those people who would tell anyone who was listening, including, you know, television commentators and Congress, why crypto was a scam.

I will just lay my own cards on the table.

I largely think he's correct about that.

I think there is a lot of interesting stuff about crypto that became largely irrelevant because of the way that crypto turned into a bunch of ways for people to make a lot of money.

So I wanted to have Ben on the show to talk about

basically his whole experience with crypto and this documentary he made called Everyone is Lying to You for Money.