David Pierce

Are all podcasts just videos now? And if they're just videos, are they still podcasts? What is happening? And does Nick have any idea of what's coming next? For now, I think at least this thing we're doing right now still counts as a podcast. But we'll see what Nick thinks. Let's get into it. Nick Kwa, welcome to Decoder. My pleasure.

Are all podcasts just videos now? And if they're just videos, are they still podcasts? What is happening? And does Nick have any idea of what's coming next? For now, I think at least this thing we're doing right now still counts as a podcast. But we'll see what Nick thinks. Let's get into it. Nick Kwa, welcome to Decoder. My pleasure.

Are all podcasts just videos now? And if they're just videos, are they still podcasts? What is happening? And does Nick have any idea of what's coming next? For now, I think at least this thing we're doing right now still counts as a podcast. But we'll see what Nick thinks. Let's get into it. Nick Kwa, welcome to Decoder. My pleasure.

I'm sorry I'm not Nilay, but I'm very glad to get to do this with you. So I want to talk about a bunch of things because we're at a really interesting moment in the podcasting landscape where we're a few weeks away from what everyone has kind of agreed and then litigated was the podcast election.

I'm sorry I'm not Nilay, but I'm very glad to get to do this with you. So I want to talk about a bunch of things because we're at a really interesting moment in the podcasting landscape where we're a few weeks away from what everyone has kind of agreed and then litigated was the podcast election.

I'm sorry I'm not Nilay, but I'm very glad to get to do this with you. So I want to talk about a bunch of things because we're at a really interesting moment in the podcasting landscape where we're a few weeks away from what everyone has kind of agreed and then litigated was the podcast election.

We're also in a moment where podcasts are still growing really fast, but the business has been really messy for the last couple of years. We have a lot to talk about. But the thing I want to start with is... this new type of podcast that I have been noticing and has started to crop up, which is like the B2B podcast.

We're also in a moment where podcasts are still growing really fast, but the business has been really messy for the last couple of years. We have a lot to talk about. But the thing I want to start with is... this new type of podcast that I have been noticing and has started to crop up, which is like the B2B podcast.

We're also in a moment where podcasts are still growing really fast, but the business has been really messy for the last couple of years. We have a lot to talk about. But the thing I want to start with is... this new type of podcast that I have been noticing and has started to crop up, which is like the B2B podcast.

I don't even know how else to describe it, but there was one particular example of Elliott Management, which was picking a fight with Southwest Airlines, and they launched a podcast to make their case. And there have been a bunch of stories recently about venture capitalists using podcasts, not just to sort of make content and get their companies out there, but for much more straightforward,

I don't even know how else to describe it, but there was one particular example of Elliott Management, which was picking a fight with Southwest Airlines, and they launched a podcast to make their case. And there have been a bunch of stories recently about venture capitalists using podcasts, not just to sort of make content and get their companies out there, but for much more straightforward,

I don't even know how else to describe it, but there was one particular example of Elliott Management, which was picking a fight with Southwest Airlines, and they launched a podcast to make their case. And there have been a bunch of stories recently about venture capitalists using podcasts, not just to sort of make content and get their companies out there, but for much more straightforward,

business purposes. And I guess my first question for you as somebody who pays attention to this industry is how big a phenomenon is this really? Where are these new kind of like ultra business focused B2B, I almost want to call them nefariously businessy podcasts coming from?

business purposes. And I guess my first question for you as somebody who pays attention to this industry is how big a phenomenon is this really? Where are these new kind of like ultra business focused B2B, I almost want to call them nefariously businessy podcasts coming from?

business purposes. And I guess my first question for you as somebody who pays attention to this industry is how big a phenomenon is this really? Where are these new kind of like ultra business focused B2B, I almost want to call them nefariously businessy podcasts coming from?

That makes sense to me, but I do think there's some really interesting shift that has happened there where a generation ago on the internet, all of these companies and analyst firms and whoever, they all would have started blogs, and that would have been the thing, right? Or they would have made Instagram accounts about this, and that would have been...

That makes sense to me, but I do think there's some really interesting shift that has happened there where a generation ago on the internet, all of these companies and analyst firms and whoever, they all would have started blogs, and that would have been the thing, right? Or they would have made Instagram accounts about this, and that would have been...

That makes sense to me, but I do think there's some really interesting shift that has happened there where a generation ago on the internet, all of these companies and analyst firms and whoever, they all would have started blogs, and that would have been the thing, right? Or they would have made Instagram accounts about this, and that would have been...

the thing that they tried to make to reach people. Now, overwhelmingly, I think the trend that is true is that it's podcasts. I think there are more CEO vanity project podcasts than ever. There are more venture capitalists out here starting podcasts. In the same way that if you are a 22-year-old trying to break it in the music business, you start a TikTok channel.

the thing that they tried to make to reach people. Now, overwhelmingly, I think the trend that is true is that it's podcasts. I think there are more CEO vanity project podcasts than ever. There are more venture capitalists out here starting podcasts. In the same way that if you are a 22-year-old trying to break it in the music business, you start a TikTok channel.