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David Reich

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Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

at the genetics, the whole genome, the Neanderthals and Denisovans cluster.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

But if you look at the mitochondrial DNA, which people get from their moms and they get from their moms, Neanderthals and modern humans cluster.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

So if you look at the mitochondrial DNA, Denisovans and modern humans share an ancestor well more than 700 or 800,000 years, as you expect from the history.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

And if you look at the Y chromosome that you get from your dad,

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

Denisovans and modern humans share an ancestor more than seven or 800,000 years ago, which is consistent with this history.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

But if you look at the Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA, it's only three to 450,000 years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

If you look at the Y chromosome, it's only three to 450,000 years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

So what the current genetic work is asking us to believe is that even though this is only 5% of the whole genome, it introduces mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomes and they jump up to 100% frequency.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

It's kind of a crazy claim because the probability of this occurring by chance is low, maybe 5% times 5%, so a very small number.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

And so it's sort of what we actually all believe, but it's sort of a very sort of surprising event.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

And somehow it's accreted all the findings in the whole literature so that we make ourselves believe this, but it seems sort of

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

unlikely on first principles that somehow only 5% will introduce both the Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

And it really looks like this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

So there's this amazing data from this site in Spain that's like two to 400,000 years old.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

It's three to 400,000 years old at a site called Cima de los Huesos.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

And they have a nuclear genome that looks Neanderthal-like,

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

most of the genome, but their mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome was Denisovan-like.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

So it really looks like there was a population related to modern humans that pushed into this Sema de los Huesos-like population, displaced its mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome, but kept the rest of its genome.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

So it really looked like something like this happened.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

So the idea that I'm sort of playing with, and probably it's wrong, who knows, but is that there's a landscape, this is maybe Europe, and