David Remnick

But Russia seems to be...

ironically, at least for the moment, a winner in this.

Tell us a little bit more about the military connection between those two countries, Russia and Iran, and what the Kiev Independent has been able to find out.

Has the sense of Ukrainian abandonment by the U.S.

increased with the war in Iran?

In other words, there are reports that the Pentagon...

is considering diverting military aid intended for Ukraine and diverting it to the Middle East.

Is Ukraine in essence waiting for another U.S.

president or does it feel that it's stuck with Donald Trump and that it has to find a way to accommodate his...

very particular character and ego because we all remember that session in the Oval Office where Trump and Vance exploded at Zelensky in a way that I've never seen, and I've been doing this longer than you have.

I've never seen anything like it.

You're running low on soldiers.

Ever since, Zelensky, when he comes to Washington or he meets with Trump or there's some phone call, he bends over backwards in an almost embarrassing way to accommodate the possibility of another explosion or to avoid that.

That must be talked about quite a lot in Ukraine, how to deal with Donald Trump.

I'm speaking with Olga Rudenko, the editor-in-chief of the Kiev Independent.

We'll continue in a moment.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour.

I'm David Remnick, and I've been speaking with Ukrainian journalist Olga Rudenko, editor-in-chief of the Kiev Independent.

We spoke earlier about what it's like to report on Russia's war on their country while living through it themselves.