David Rosenthal

And it's a great way to say like, what's the stupid thing people say?

Because everybody has an opinion.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I don't think of it quite that way, but I do think it's like, I want to make something that's good and pure and true and is like the thing that will, once it's said, there's nothing else to say.

It's like done.

So when you're working on one of these episodes, are you aware of how much fun you're having learning?

And have you ever shut something down just because, oh, this isn't that much fun?

The Fed.

If you can find fun in the Fed, man, you can find fun anywhere.

We can generate all that enthusiasm for each other's insights about the Fed.

That's a good... It's another one.

Right.

Yeah.

I guess Google still has this spirit where they're doing lots of stuff that...

Maybe you can't identify instantly the payoff that's right around the corner.

It's kind of like, let's just fiddle around, see what we find stuff.

But corporate America, I think, just generally does less of that than it used to do a long time ago.

Am I wrong?

So actually, you just bring up your friend Hamilton Helmer, who I'd never heard of until I listened to your podcast.

And you do that thing, the seven powers.