David Rosenthal

And you could see two people.

And then it got me thinking about collaboration.

And I've had exciting collaborations with people.

And the feeling I get is this person is bringing out a better version of me, which is why I asked if your spouses were threatened, because Kahneman and Tversky's spouses were –

Threatened is too strong a word, but they were very aware that the relationship that was the most important in their lives was with, not with their spouse, but with... I got this sense from the Undoing Project that Kahneman and Tversky's relationship was very intense.

Argumentative.

Yes, it was.

And competitive.

It was not competitive.

Danny Kahneman was always felt at risk of being dismissed, thought the lesser partner.

There was a status difference between the two of them.

Right going into it.

Everyone in the world thought Amos was the smartest person they'd ever met.

You two didn't ever have any of that.

Not for me.

But you said you felt like a fraud.

Let's come back to those.

Okay, let's go with that frame.

Yes.

The next year, we're going to do eight.