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a standard part of the Democratic platform.

Yeah, it's table stakes.

I think that, you know, the Bernie Sanders, Ro Khanna position will be the position of the Democratic Party.

And you even see Gavin Newsom creating wiggle room for himself to embrace this position.

If you look closely at his statements, formally opposing the BTA in California, what he says is that a state can't do this by themselves because they got 49 other states to compete with.

So what he's saying is that, you know, look, California is operating in a comparative environment.

One state can't do it.

And then he's leaving the other part elliptical, which is, well, the federal government needs to do this.

And I think that you can expect him to embrace that position by 2028.

You always give yourself the last word, J.K.

It's all good.

It's all good.

Go for it.

and they've just gone crazy with it

Wet your feet.

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Welcome to another episode of the All In interview.

I'm really excited to be joined by, back to All In, Harvard professor Graham Allison.

Professor Allison, welcome back to All In.

Thanks for having me.