David Sacks

Bend, but don't break.

You want them to bend a little bit, be reasonable, but you don't want to break the industry.

We're spending twice as much as these other countries who have universal healthcare.

Now, you did point out that they get things later.

So we have a better system, but we pay through the nose for it.

That would be an accurate way of describing the current state of affairs?

Okay.

So how do we get every American healthcare?

Because I believe a lot of the tension we have comes from a fear of...

from people maybe who are not as well off as the people on the pod right now.

And they live with that fear.

We don't live with that fear.

We know if we need to get health care, we're going to figure it out.

We'll be able to pay for it out of pocket or insurance will pay for it.

But there are people who go bankrupt because of this.

You believe in universal health care, I would assume, as a doctor?

Being denied is something they live with.

So they complain about their universal healthcare.

We complain about not having universal healthcare.

We actually do have a number of examples of that in surgeries and treatments that you have to pay for out of pocket.