David Sacks

Can I just let the guest be involved, please?

I'm actually engaging with your perspective.

Let me truly ask you.

Explain to me why job postings for software engineers are up 15% year over year, despite the fact that code has now been fully automated.

Oh, I think there's a Cambrian explosion in software.

You're absolutely correct.

And I believe people who know how to vibe code or who are non-developers are making bespoke software.

I've said that 100 times on this podcast over the last two years, and I predicted it.

So absolutely, I believe that will be an area of job growth.

I believe the positions that are being removed or just I know based on what we're hearing is product managers, middle managers, what Matthew Prince called measures, what other people call mid-management.

Everybody believes that the recording and this daily stand-ups and the Zoom calls, all of that

is turning into people management is being done better by AI and people are more self-directed, and then the stack of people to build products is being consolidated.

The typical designer can now vibe code, the developer can do front-end design in UX, and they can project manage themselves.

There are a series of jobs that will increase and a series of jobs that will be eliminated, just like the mailroom got eliminated.

and bike messengers got eliminated, and the typing pool got limited.

On net, do you think there'll be mass... That's my position.

Do you think there'll be on... Well, your position's shifting a little bit.

Do you think on net... Same position.

Do you think on net there'll be mass job loss?

I think there is a chance that we're going to see job loss increase in the short to midterm, and then eventually...