David Senra

And so Dara says, I was reading about all the issues happening with Uber in the news, the various challenges that were coming up there.

So when I first got the call to be the CEO, I said, heck no, I'm not crazy.

I'm not up for this.

But I had one particular conversation that really shifted me, which was with Daniel Eck, who's a good friend.

And I still remember I was talking to him about my career at Expedia and how happy I was.

And he looks at me, and he did this to me too.

And he looks at me and he goes, since when is life about happiness?

It's about impact.

You can have an impact on Uber, which is a really important company in the world that's shaping the future of cities.

And I thought to myself, my God, this is so obvious.

I've got to take a shot.

I knew it was going to be uncomfortable.

Can you just explain how you think about optimizing for impact over happiness and why?

Did somebody do that for you?

Did somebody tell you to optimize for impact over happiness, or is this just the way you work?

One of the things I admire most about Daniel Ek is his relentless dedication to improving his craft and to improving his product.

It's a mission that he's still on nearly two decades later.

It'd be impossible to argue that Spotify isn't one of the most well-crafted products ever created.

And Daniel and his team's dedication to constantly improving their product reminds me a lot of my friend Kareem, who's the co-founder and CTO of Ramp.

Kareem is one of the greatest technical minds working in finance.