David Spark

API tokens and non-human identities that no one fully owns.

Eh, kind of partially.

But in both cases here, the two scenarios, you're stunned that nothing has exploded because they're both powder kegs, just ready to explode.

Mike, which one is worse?

Which is like, yeah, you got all of this and none of that, or all of that and none of this.

But they're not going to get solved.

That's the thing.

It stays like this.

Well, but the thing is, first scenario, your security program is running reasonably well, it sounds like.

Second scenario, it's kind of crappy to start with.

Has happened or something is very visibly weak.

Well, no, no, it isn't just two.

There's a bunch, but if two go.

So I think first scenario is the worst.

First is the worst.

All right, we're throwing this to you, Sarah.

What do you think?

So if you lose any of those, you're probably... Well, it's a difference.

In the second one, it may not be that you have exhausted heroes in the second scenario.

It's just a completely different scenario.