David Spark

And, you know, there was a little bit of scare in the market with Claude's announcement with security.

So Jordan's question is, do you see yourself phasing vendors out because of AI?

You're smiling, Sarah.

What?

And I know you've been very engineer-focused.

Absolutely.

All right, so I have two questions that are very similar, and I'm going to go to you first, Mike, because this has to do with a post you put out that got a lot of response.

Okay.

First from Peter, and let me get through both of these.

Peter Zwier is a Murado who wants to know from your AI post, and you can sort of summarize a little bit more, but you put out a post saying,

Give your team some tokens and let them have at it to try to fix their own problems.

And also from Caleb Onafray of Paradigm, what's the most realistic output for cloud code?

So I'm interested to know, what have you seen that's pretty cool that either your team or somebody else has done?

And I want to also talk to you, Sarah, on that.

And the coolest thing you've seen?

That brings us to the very end of the show.

Let's hear it for our two guests.

Mike Johnson, CISO of Rivian, and Sarah Madden, CISO of Convera.

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