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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Right. So I basically not only reported, I wrote this whole story without him. I wrote the whole thing. It was done. It was completely done. And then I think as we were getting ready to edit it, they said, oh, why don't you reach out to him one more time? And I was like, eh. Like in my head, I was like, I'm done with this story. So I was really kind of like, fine, I'll do it.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And I went and I reached out to his manager one more time. And this time they got right back to me and was like, yeah, you know, why don't you come and meet us at Bob's house for a 90-minute interview? This was maybe two days away or something. And I was like, oh, OK, I guess this is happening.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I think the main thing was, is in that three or four months, they had announced that he was doing this Rock the Country tour. What up, everybody? I also wanted to pump up the rock and rodeo, which is this Friday at AT&T Stadium. He had put together this tour of sort of small towns in the South that, you know, he was going to bring this tour to.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And so at this point, he was in sort of promotion mode. So I think that was part of it. So, like, the other part is that I think... Deep down, he does want the approval of the Rolling Stones of the world. Like you were saying, he's thin-skinned, but he really cares what people think about him. And he really wants that acceptance. Oh, well, they're paying attention to me again, at least.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And then, you know, I think there was also this element of at worst, I'm going to like make this reporter's life miserable. It was going to be like a really contentious story. And then he was going to be able to go back to the sort of Fox News universe and be like, liberal media bias this, you know, they're trying to cancel me that.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Anyone who's bought a concert ticket in the last decade, maybe 20 years, no matter what your politics are, knows that it's a conundrum. You buy a ticket for 100 bucks. By the time you check out, it's 170. You don't know what you're getting charged for. But more importantly, these bots, you know, they come in to get all the good tickets to your favorite shows you want to go to.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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No, I think there was that possibility in his head maybe because I do think he really did care what I thought, what Rolling Stone thought, what Rolling Stone's readers think, because he's a narcissist. He's an egomaniac.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Sure. I drove up from Atlanta. And, you know, the house is absurd. It looks like sort of a 12-year-old boy's idea of what a rich person's house should look like or something. Like it's just, you know, like goofy.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Like, it's designed to look like the White House, okay?

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Oh, I did not know that.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Oh, my God. It's in a pretty rural area of Tennessee. You drive up this fairly steep driveway, and then it's like a replica of the White House, except on the doors of the three or four garages is the image of his platinum records. There's, you know, you go inside and it's like this sort of almost white trash chic where there's like animal heads, neon beer signs.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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But it's, you know, it's like this giant palatial house. He's got this butler who goes by the name Uncle Tom, who is a white guy, very nice guy. He was the one who answered the door. It's like you're walking into this like kind of giant joke. And then like that part of the joke he sort of gets, right? You don't make that house without thinking like, all right, this is a little bit funny.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And it is kind of a funny way to spend your money. Right. So I go in and... Uncle Tom, the butler, gets me like, asks me if I want anything to drink and he opens the fridge and it looks like a commercial for Miller Lite. There's a bunch of Miller Lite cans. And Bob's sitting out in back, Kid Rock's sitting out in back, and it's got charcuterie board. It's like very nice.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And then they're relisted immediately for sometimes a four or five hundred percent markup.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I mean, he looks older, but I mean, I'm not going to throw shade on him for looking his age. He's like a little, I think he's 53 or 54. So we look like a couple of middle-aged guys sitting out there.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Yeah. So initially it's very friendly. He actually had read one of my other recent stories in Rolling Stone and was like commenting about it. And then we were talking a little bit about Detroit and growing up there and a lot Detroit sports stuff. And

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I mean, it's kind of like if you're in any of those situations where you're trying to do a profile of somebody, you're like, oh, this is the way I want this to go. It's very, you know, kind of relaxed and friendly and we're just bantering and it was fine. But, you know, and then I started interviewing him and obviously got a little bit more contentious at that point.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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This is kind of going on for hours. So like.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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You're drinking together, sitting outside. It's beautiful. I probably had a I probably had. three beers, two or three beers, like Miller Lite. I'm sober, basically. He is gradually becoming less and less sober. He was drinking white wine. And then there's a point where it really turns.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I mean, when I'm sort of kind of interviewing him, like I spent like probably two hours, two and a half hours interviewing him on that back patio. And we got into it some during that interview. I would ask him about things he said, you know, about politics and we would argue a bit. And he was definitely trying to pick fights with me. But I mean, it wasn't that extreme for me.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I mean, he would get up and like start shouting and being in my face. But I kind of felt like he thinks there's cameras on him all the time, even when there aren't. And so... It got testy and I would push back, but I was always just trying to push back and trying to like make what I thought to be cogent, factual points. I wasn't really trying to be too ideological about it.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And he just always had like three lines in his head that he probably heard on Hannity or from Tucker Carlson. And he had about two or three sentences about everything. And once I sort of pushed deeper, he would just kind of change the subject or he didn't really. You were winning. Basically, you were winning.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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It was actually just incredibly frustrating. And I was basically done and ready to go home after about two, two and a half hours, right? We were supposed to have 90 minutes. 90 minutes came and went. He wasn't looking at his watch. He didn't seem to want to wrap up. And so we kept going. So maybe we're talking two and a half hours. And then he was like, oh, you should stay.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I'm doing this Fox News hit. Like the van just got here. And so there's this like white van in his driveway. Oh, weird. I mean, it's like, come on, come on, come come in the back with me and watch me do this.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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It's just like a mobile studio. And I think the guy in the van is probably just a freelancer for Fox. But literally you open this dark window, his van door slides open and there's like a camera set up and there's like a fake backdrop and he's sitting in a chair and it's a, I mean, it's a van, but it's small. And he insists on me coming in the van with him.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And so I'm like, I don't want to be on camera here.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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But you're like squeezed into this.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Exactly. I'm like squeezed just out of the shot. And he's doing this thing for Laura Ingram. And I'm just like sitting there. She's teeing him up for whatever they're talking about, the upcoming election, et cetera. I'm just jammed in the corner there. And I'm thinking, all right, whatever. This is weird. Maybe this will be a funny bit that I can put in the story. Then I'm going home.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And so we get out of the van after this. Maybe it's like 15, 20 minutes. And he's like, oh, you got to hear my new music. All right. I got to get on the road. But yeah, sure. Like I didn't. He's like, all right, well, let's go down to my studio, which is like a half mile, three quarters of a mile away. We hop in this like golf cart. We drive down to the studio.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Then we get in the studio and he starts making like Jim Beam and Diet Coke at this point. And he's confused. kind of getting drunk and he can't figure out how to hook his iPhone to the studio speakers. And I'm like, okay, maybe I can get away with not having to hear the new music. He's like, oh, we'll just listen to it on my phone. And honestly, like the songs are fine. They're not political.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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They're kind of like country rockish songs. So we listened to them and I'm like, all right, well, thanks. And I'm like wrapping up. And now we're sitting in like this kind of lounge area outside his studio. And he's like, oh, well, I want to show you some videos. And I'm like, well, I kind of really got to be going.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And it's kind of, you know, getting a little bit uncomfortable just in that he's famous and he wants me to stay here to watch YouTube videos with him. Like, I don't know. It was weird. And I really genuinely did need to leave. And so he's like, ah, just to watch one video. And we must have watched 15 videos, 10, 15 videos. Everyone, he's like, no, we got to watch one more.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And I kept being like, I got to go. I got to go. And in between all this, he's just bringing up more things for us to argue about. We're talking about Trump. We're talking about whatever's in the news. Now it's starting to get pretty caustic.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I don't even want to say he was mad. He's into it, but he's like drunk. But it's almost, some of it's a little bit playful. I think we were talking about security or something and maybe immigration. And he reaches behind his chair and He's sitting in this like big leather chair and he reaches behind his chair and he pulls out like a black handgun and he's like, and I got guns everywhere.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And he starts like waving it around. And I'm like, I'm like, what the hell is going on? I didn't feel like he was going to shoot me or anything, but I just was like, what?

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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No, I really didn't.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Well, okay. Yes. Anytime you're on alcohol and guns, it's not great. But at that point, I was really thinking, how am I going to get out of here? I did start thinking in my head is like, am I being held here against my will? Because I kept saying, look, I got to go. I got to drive back to Atlanta tonight. And he was sort of being friendly and be like, no, no, no, just stay here tonight.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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You don't need to drive back. I got a room for you. And I was like, oh, that's really nice, but I can't stay. And this was, it was like this circular conversation where it just kept going on and on. And finally I was like, no, dude, I gotta go. I'm leaving. And by this point, it's like, you know, nine or 10 o'clock at night.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And I can't like, he's like, you're not gonna, never gonna find your way back to your car, which was probably somewhat true. Cause you know, it's like a different part of the property. And he, so I, like at that point, I'm starting to think, Am I being held here? How do I get out of here? I got to get out of here. I'm not staying in the night here.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And I did think, is this the way he wants this to go? Does he want us to fight? Because he did at one point say like, do you think you could whoop me?

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Yeah. And like, I don't know if he thought like, oh, this will be great for the story. Me fighting with the writer on the floor of my studio. Like I did. I did start thinking about that. And I was like, it honestly felt a little bit like he thought there were reality show cameras on us. It felt very performative. And so we argued a bunch. I don't think it ever happened.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I don't want to say it didn't ever come close to us getting in a fight, but it was a little bit close. We were sort of nose to nose. You know, I don't know. It was bizarre. It was bizarre.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Well, eventually I just said, well, I'm leaving and I'm going to start walking. I can get, you know, because it was like. at least 30 or 40 minutes of me just being like, I gotta go now. And then he did say, it was shortly after he asked if I thought I could whoop him. And I was like, look, man, I gotta go. And so I basically was just threatening to just walk.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And he eventually sort of was like, fine, I'll give you a ride back. And so he gave me a ride back and it was pretty awkward. We were riding back up to the main house and he was still kind of like trying to pick fights, but I feel like he had kind of given up by this point. And... We got up there and I was like, I'm just getting out of here.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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But then he was like, he pulled me close like right before I left. First he said like, oh, just tell people I was halfway cool. Like he did care what I thought, what people thought. And then he said, oh, write the worst story you can about me or write the worst shit you can about me because it's just going to help me.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And that was sort of like confirming what I had thought before about like, oh, he just wants this contentious story. And I don't even really know what the whole truth is, except that I did talk to him again after I left. I talked to him on the phone. I was trying to do some fact checking. And so I was trying to do it with his manager. And then Bob just called me himself.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And so I thought, oh, God, this is going to be weird. But it wasn't. He was totally friendly when we talked. This is maybe three weeks later or two weeks later or something like that. He was like, oh, hey, how you doing, man? Blah, blah, blah. Like we were just old buddies.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Right. And he was actually very helpful with the fact checking. And I had a couple of things other people had said that I wanted to get comments about. And he was very helpful. And then I heard through the grapevine that he really liked the story after it came out. Wow.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Well, thanks for having me.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Well, Kid Rock grew up in a town called Romeo, which is described as a Detroit suburb. But I would have probably said it was beyond the suburbs of Detroit. His dad owned a car dealership, was the head of the, I think it was called the Detroit Automobile Dealers Association. He was kind of a wealthy car salesman, basically. So he grew up in the Detroit suburbs.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And, you know, when he was a teenager, started hanging out, you know, actually in downtown Detroit and getting involved in the hip hop scene down there.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Rolling Stone had emailed me and, you know, I've been freelancing for them for many, many years. And an editor over there had emailed me about this story about, you know, we want to do something about how Kid Rock has become this MAGA mouthpiece.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I mean, if I'm being honest, initially I was pretty resistant to the idea. Why's that? Well, I mean, there are a couple of reasons. One was it just didn't seem that interesting to me, I guess, initially. The way Kid Rock had become such a Trump world figure and Rolling Stone's reputation as being sort of this liberal magazine, I figured there's no way he's going to talk to me.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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So it's just going to be like, oh, me talking to whoever I can get to talk to me, and then I'm going to write some story, and it's going to be exactly what everyone thinks it's going to be. But being a freelancer, I didn't say no. I'm pretty sure what I said was like, which was true, like, look, I've got a lot of stuff on my plate right now.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I probably wouldn't be able to get to this for several months. And that was kind of my way of figuring they're going to be like, all right, we'll just give this to somebody else.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Yeah, that's always the move. Like, oh, you know, it's not you, it's me.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Right. But I did have some thoughts about Kid Rock because we grew up pretty much in the same, you know, we were both living in the northern suburbs of Detroit. It was the same time. And I kind of had like what I would call theories about Kid Rock. Like why he was the way he was.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Because I did grow up with people, they weren't like Kid Rock, but that sort of weird romanticism about the South and country music. Like I remember in high school, Guys who like rode around in pickup trucks with like Confederate flag bumper stickers on the back and listening to country music. Why is that in Detroit? I think there is a certain element of it.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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It's just like high school kids looking for some sort of identity. But, you know, you look into it a bit more and there is like a tie between Detroit and both Appalachia and parts of the South going back to kind of the beginning of the auto industry. And that's where... you know, the auto industry was finding workers. Sort of more famously, you know, black workers rushed to Detroit in droves.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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This would be like all the way from probably the 20s up through the 50s. Oh, okay. Even into the 60s. These were good paying factory jobs. These were middle class jobs. And so a lot of people came from Appalachia. A lot of people came from the South. So I think that there was some sort of generational tie to some of these things.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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But I guess the way I had seen it, which is a little bit more superficial, is I just remember seeing that stuff in high school. And then I remember, you know, there's the whole sort of Ted Nugent thing, which Ted Nugent is another sort of paleo-conservative weirdo rock star who's become more famous for just essentially being an asshole.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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Yeah, that's without a doubt true. And I mean, I would say of a lot of the music that became popular during that era, Limp Bizkit and Korn and stuff like that. I mean, I would actually say that I probably liked Kid Rock probably a little bit more than that stuff. Yeah, that's very true. I wrote for Maxim and magazines like that. They paid well. And so, I mean, it was like... Yeah.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I mean, that was a big part of the culture. And he was certainly like a kind of headline creation of that culture.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I mean, I don't know that it was ever a joke. Like he would have owned up to, I mean, he certainly did own up to the fact that he didn't grow up in a trailer park. He grew up in like a very, very nice. Yeah.

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The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't middle class. I mean, I've seen pictures of the house. I mean, it's like an estate, you know, he had like tennis courts and, you know, pools. I mean, like there was like horse stables.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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He was wealthy. This isn't Eminem's story. Like Eminem did not have money, was like growing up in a completely different milieu. So I think he knew that he was acting. I think he got the joke without really thinking too much about what it meant, if that makes any sense.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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So what happened was I started sort of rolling out these stories. They didn't even know I had grown up in Detroit. And, you know, I started talking about what the music scene was like there. And I think I accidentally convinced them that, no, no, no, that I'm the guy to do this story. And so instead of me saying, I'm not available for three or four months, you should get somebody else.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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They were like, all right, we'll just wait until you're ready. And so I was like, all right, I'll do it. Three or four months probably went by and then I started working on it. And I did, you know, reach out to his manager. There was no response at all. I reached out in multiple different ways. And that didn't surprise me. That's the way I thought this was going to go.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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And so I started reaching out to other people. Most of the people really close to him weren't even getting back to me. His former band members would get back to me. He was like, you know, so that was kind of like the level of people I was talking to. Ex-lawyer, former band member, former manager, people like that.

Infamous

The Ethics of Kid Rock

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I don't think he was actually pissed at Rolling Stone at that point. And he told me this. We had this discussion when I finally did meet him. He was just like, oh, I just don't need it. And to some extent, he's correct. I mean, he operates in a completely different media universe from Rolling Stone these days. Rolling Stone's readers are not really his fans anymore anymore.

Infamous

A Bitcoin Mystery and the Crypto Bros

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A Bitcoin Mystery and the Crypto Bros

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Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 4

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It was messages from me saying things like, where are you, young lady? Where are you, trouble? And, you know, funny little ones like that. And then it got to, hi, hi, hi. And now we're really worried.

Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 4

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As each day went past, we got more and more worried. We thought, is it the right time to do something? What can we do? We'd had all these videos. We'd had all this evidence. We didn't want to release everything because it could be dangerous. But it got to the stage and felt time had come. We had to do something.

Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 4

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It showed that the UAE had lied to the world. probably lied to Mary Robinson, we don't know, lied to the UN, lied to Britain, lied to America, and then not only lied, tried to spread fake news about the people that were telling the truth, and then tried to cover it up, and spent lots of money trying to cover it up.

Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 4

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Pictures of Latifa with some women were put on an Instagram account.

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Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 4

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We'd been there before with Mary Robinson. You know, the UN is asking for proof of life, an independent verification of proof of life, and immediate release. And is a picture at a cinema or is a picture in the arrivals hall at Madrid Airport that? No.

Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 4

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We always thought that somebody might kill her. The guards would do things like put razor blades under her bed. I mean, it was horrific what was going on. So from that to her being in Madrid airport or being at a cinema outside of the jail, however long that would last, it was obviously a better situation than before because when she effectively went missing, we thought that she was dead.

Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 3

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Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 3

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Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 2

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Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 2

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Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 1

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Infamous

Encore: Dubai's Missing Princesses I Part 1

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Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

Infamous

Who Sold Pam, Paris and Kim's Sex Tapes?

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Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

Infamous

Who Sold Pam, Paris and Kim's Sex Tapes?

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Will Elon Find the Epstein Files Before It's Too Late?

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Will Elon Find the Epstein Files Before It's Too Late?

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The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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They get a call from one of the lawyers at a law firm in Oklahoma City saying, look, we have a client whose son we think was murdered, and his wife's about to get the insurance proceeds. All we need you to do is draft a letter and take it basically down the street to the insurance company, but it needs to be there tonight or first thing in the morning.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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We filed to have Sandra removed and prevent the payment out of the estate and prevent the insurance company from doing anything.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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So we get before the court. I got there early and went in chambers with The judge and these two other lawyers for Sandra.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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I said, well, you know, we think it is a criminal matter.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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Mr. Wise, you've alleged murder, so the burden of proof in our hearing today is going to be beyond a reasonable doubt. instead of by preponderance of evidence.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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It was some BS. I said, Judge, this is not a criminal court. You cannot hold my client to that high standard of proof. She said, well, it's my court. I'm going to do what I want to do, and I'm going to hold it to that.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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Pacheco and Mitchell told me that. They were getting close in Oklahoma. They thought they would have enough evidence to indict her.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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She resigned. There was no need for a hearing.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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They paid out half because she had presented certain expenses on behalf of the estate. The remaining $118,000, if she wasn't indicted, it was all hers. And she was going to need it.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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They had a jurisdictional battle going on between the Dallas Police Department and the Oklahoma City Police Department. They found the body in Oklahoma City, and the Dallas police didn't seem to want to be involved in it because the body was found in Oklahoma. And they should have been more involved, you know.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 3. Dead End

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It's a situation where the FBI should have been involved early on and let the rabbit out of the trap with her.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 1. Body in the Bronco

5.311

Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 1. Body in the Bronco

53.208

Hi, Georgia.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Fatal Beauty | 1. Body in the Bronco

57.789

Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Baby Broker | 7. Gotcha Day

5.311

Yeah. Come, join me. David Tennant does a podcast with...

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Baby Broker | 7. Gotcha Day

951.943

Hi, Georgia.

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Baby Broker | 7. Gotcha Day

956.544

Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

The Binge Cases: Baby Broker

Baby Broker | 7. Gotcha Day

981.37

Bye.

The Binge Crimes: Finding Mom's Killer

Finding Mom's Killer | 4. The Trial of the Century

235.154

Hi, Georgia.

The Binge Crimes: Finding Mom's Killer

Finding Mom's Killer | 4. The Trial of the Century

239.735

Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

The Binge Crimes: Finding Mom's Killer

Finding Mom's Killer | 4. The Trial of the Century

5.311

Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

The Binge Crimes: Finding Mom's Killer

Finding Mom's Killer | 6. The Confessions of Jack Boyle

27.226

Come, join me. David Tennant does a podcast with...

The Binge Crimes: Finding Mom's Killer

Finding Mom's Killer | 6. The Confessions of Jack Boyle

420.1

Hi, Georgia.

The Binge Crimes: Finding Mom's Killer

Finding Mom's Killer | 6. The Confessions of Jack Boyle

424.681

Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?

The Binge Crimes: Finding Mom's Killer

Finding Mom's Killer | 6. The Confessions of Jack Boyle

446.586

Come, join me. David Tennant does a podcast with.

The Binge Crimes: Finding Mom's Killer

Finding Mom's Killer | 6. The Confessions of Jack Boyle

5.311

Well, the world always needs more podcasts. Didn't you used to have a podcast? Not only did I used to have a podcast, Georgia. It's coming back. David Tennant does a podcast with Season 3. It's coming at you. Okay, and who are your guests? Who are my guests? What about Russell T. Davis? What about Jamila Jamil? What about Stanley the Tooch Toochy?