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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

And he's like, long story short, he said, well, you can't tell your lawyer, uh, how to defend you in court. I was like, what? I didn't believe it. I didn't believe that that was the case. It is the case that you can't, right? Well, I'm like, OK, well, I don't have to. I what I can do is not pay her. I'm not going to know he's going to pay her any more money. That's she's not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

And he's like, long story short, he said, well, you can't tell your lawyer, uh, how to defend you in court. I was like, what? I didn't believe it. I didn't believe that that was the case. It is the case that you can't, right? Well, I'm like, OK, well, I don't have to. I what I can do is not pay her. I'm not going to know he's going to pay her any more money. That's she's not.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

I'm not going to come in this form and have her. I can fire her. I don't care. Yes, I can. I can. I can decide. But no, she's not going to get paid anymore. She's not my lawyer. Forget it. And he goes, Mr. McElroy, I'm going to step out for 10 minutes and I'm going to let you work this out. You to work this out. And I'm going to come back in and we're going to get this all straight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

I'm not going to come in this form and have her. I can fire her. I don't care. Yes, I can. I can. I can decide. But no, she's not going to get paid anymore. She's not my lawyer. Forget it. And he goes, Mr. McElroy, I'm going to step out for 10 minutes and I'm going to let you work this out. You to work this out. And I'm going to come back in and we're going to get this all straight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

I'm not going to come in this form and have her. I can fire her. I don't care. Yes, I can. I can. I can decide. But no, she's not going to get paid anymore. She's not my lawyer. Forget it. And he goes, Mr. McElroy, I'm going to step out for 10 minutes and I'm going to let you work this out. You to work this out. And I'm going to come back in and we're going to get this all straight.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

And I'm like, don't even bother. Don't even bother. I'm not, I'm not doing it. And man, they all threw up their hands. Oh, forget it, man. Whatever. You know, and she just couldn't, this woman couldn't believe it either. And I remember I get up and I go and I'm like, Oh my God, how am I going to explain this to my sister?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

And I'm like, don't even bother. Don't even bother. I'm not, I'm not doing it. And man, they all threw up their hands. Oh, forget it, man. Whatever. You know, and she just couldn't, this woman couldn't believe it either. And I remember I get up and I go and I'm like, Oh my God, how am I going to explain this to my sister?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

And I'm like, don't even bother. Don't even bother. I'm not, I'm not doing it. And man, they all threw up their hands. Oh, forget it, man. Whatever. You know, and she just couldn't, this woman couldn't believe it either. And I remember I get up and I go and I'm like, Oh my God, how am I going to explain this to my sister?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

My sister has no real clue what's going on, but she just dumped a boatload of money on this logger. And, um, I remember I had to, I'm like, Oh my God, I better tell her. I got to tell her before she tells her the larger tells her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

My sister has no real clue what's going on, but she just dumped a boatload of money on this logger. And, um, I remember I had to, I'm like, Oh my God, I better tell her. I got to tell her before she tells her the larger tells her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

My sister has no real clue what's going on, but she just dumped a boatload of money on this logger. And, um, I remember I had to, I'm like, Oh my God, I better tell her. I got to tell her before she tells her the larger tells her.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

Yes. And she did. Of course I wasn't fast enough by the time I caught, I'll never forget my sister going, you fucking fired that lady. I said, yeah, but listen, listen to what she did. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. You know, no, that's it. Everybody's done with me now. No, you know, they're just disgusted that, that, But the truth was, look, she really did do that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

Yes. And she did. Of course I wasn't fast enough by the time I caught, I'll never forget my sister going, you fucking fired that lady. I said, yeah, but listen, listen to what she did. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. You know, no, that's it. Everybody's done with me now. No, you know, they're just disgusted that, that, But the truth was, look, she really did do that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

Yes. And she did. Of course I wasn't fast enough by the time I caught, I'll never forget my sister going, you fucking fired that lady. I said, yeah, but listen, listen to what she did. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. You know, no, that's it. Everybody's done with me now. No, you know, they're just disgusted that, that, But the truth was, look, she really did do that.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

She wasn't going to ask for bond, nothing. And so, oh, the lawyer, before I left court, he goes, okay, all right, you want to fire her? That's right. You can. You cannot pay her, and that's what you can do. But I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'll tell you what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you back so-and-so, this lawyer. And I said, yeah. I don't think he's going to do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

She wasn't going to ask for bond, nothing. And so, oh, the lawyer, before I left court, he goes, okay, all right, you want to fire her? That's right. You can. You cannot pay her, and that's what you can do. But I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'll tell you what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you back so-and-so, this lawyer. And I said, yeah. I don't think he's going to do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

She wasn't going to ask for bond, nothing. And so, oh, the lawyer, before I left court, he goes, okay, all right, you want to fire her? That's right. You can. You cannot pay her, and that's what you can do. But I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'll tell you what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you back so-and-so, this lawyer. And I said, yeah. I don't think he's going to do it.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

I don't think he's going to do it. He goes, yeah. I wish I had the transcripts. I tried to get him. He goes, yeah, well, we'll see about that, Mr. Bicklemeyer. We'll see about that. And I said, I guess we will. I guess we will. He goes, we'll be back here. He's not going to spank me. He gives me another month. We'll be back here in another month or whatever. So, oops, I got to get now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

I don't think he's going to do it. He goes, yeah. I wish I had the transcripts. I tried to get him. He goes, yeah, well, we'll see about that, Mr. Bicklemeyer. We'll see about that. And I said, I guess we will. I guess we will. He goes, we'll be back here. He's not going to spank me. He gives me another month. We'll be back here in another month or whatever. So, oops, I got to get now.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Wrongfully Convicted in the Weirdest Trial Ever

I don't think he's going to do it. He goes, yeah. I wish I had the transcripts. I tried to get him. He goes, yeah, well, we'll see about that, Mr. Bicklemeyer. We'll see about that. And I said, I guess we will. I guess we will. He goes, we'll be back here. He's not going to spank me. He gives me another month. We'll be back here in another month or whatever. So, oops, I got to get now.