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And he's very good at doing that.
I think he's probably one of the best for being also a good programmer.
So I think he's someone that I admire a lot.
And I hope that we can kind of be as good as that one day.
And I think the flip side of it is it's easier than ever to rot your product.
I think it's with these agents and everything.
So you see with big companies, big companies' products are rotting faster than ever.
Even startups' products.
I was saying this the other day, like,
now the product is a year old it's probably already kind of going to and i think it's because of the agent workflows so yeah i still believe quality is a huge differentiator it's not just something you can decide to do i think it needs to show up every single aspect of your company from like you have to do things that are irrational i think that's kind of what quality comes from like
do a bunch of things and like 50 of those things you you didn't have to do and i think very few people are willing to operate that way there's like a cold logic these days to programming into software into products it's like i'm like a business guy and i care about business which means i only do things that are hyper hyper rational and a lot of people think that's what being good at business looks like um and of course that can work but
yeah i think quality is like a huge differentiator um i mean even if you look at our story when we first launched open code uh cloud code was the only other real thing we were going up against a big initial differentiator was that our terminal experience just felt better we spent a lot more time on
like we built our own terminal framework.
Like building your own framework is like the first thing they tell you not to do, right?
It's like the thing that no engineering team should do.
It's irrational.
It's irrational.
But like it did, we looked at it and we're like, we couldn't achieve the experience we wanted.