Debbie Lerman
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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And that is extremely frightening because in every single country, what happened was they started out saying, it's okay, it's fine, it's not a big deal, only old people and sick people get it. Okay, that's the first thing. Then they, on a particular date in the United States, and I think very, very specifically chosen dates, they pivoted to the lockdown until vaccine plan.
And that happened in every single country at this, almost at the same time and in the same way. And I found indications and, and
I haven't done research about every country, and I wish that there were researchers in every country who would do parallel research to what I'm doing, but that bodies that were affiliated with national security took over the response in many countries, just like the National Security Council.
And I have to add, it was also the Department of Homeland Security because HHS was actually replaced by FEMA, which is under the Department of Homeland Security's as the lead federal agency for pandemic response. So the scariest thing for me is that it wasn't just a national response, it was a global response, it was a coordinated response, and it was a non-public health response.
And so what I came to was the same conclusion that Lisa came to, which is that there are global planning bodies that actually have more power than national governments. To me, that's really scary.
It's complicated. I actually wrote two Substack posts that are very long and very comprehensive about what I think is going on. So I'll try to summarize. So it's everything you said. So it's a huge bureaucracy. It's Bill Gates and people like that. You have to envision what happened at the end of the Cold War. and with the war on terror.
So those two things kind of happened a little bit simultaneously. And what happened was there wasn't any more opposition to capitalism, or if people don't like to say capitalism, you can say corporatism, because it's not like true capitalism in the ideal sense. So global corporatism, where corporations joined with global governing bodies like the UN, like the WEF, like
the WHO, and created NGOs and created nonprofits that just like Lisa described, once the ball got rolling and all of these things started working together and what their goal is, is to sustain themselves and to suck resources and capital out of the world. So out of us. and into their sort of coffers or hands.
And you can say that they're evil, and I'm sure that there are people who I would consider evil who are involved in it. There are people who have inordinate amounts of power, like Bill Gates and other multibillionaires who have more, they have more power than national governments. And if they decide that they're going to support an agenda,
They can buy every major academic institution in that area, for instance, in public health, and that academic institution is now doing whatever Bill Gates wants them to do. They're publishing the papers that he wants, and their studies are coming to the conclusions that he wants.
and he can fund the WHO, and he can fund the vaccine organizations that are supposed to be giving vaccines to developing countries, and he can also fund the studies that show how great vaccines are, and he can fund the scientists, and so So that's the pernicious part of it.
I find it unhelpful necessarily to attribute evil motives or non-evil motives, which I'm sure exist in some people and some people they don't. But what is more scary than one person with evil motives is a huge structure that's been created on a global scale. whose job it is to just sustain itself and suck resources out of the world.
And as Toby Rogers, who is a popular Substacker and also a Brownstone writer and contributor says, once the empire, so the United States and its allies were done colonizing the rest of the world, and sucking resources out of the rest of the world. I guess they're still doing that. And they have new and interesting ways of doing that.
They turned inward and they started, and our bodies became the next territory that they want to conquer, which means, you know, forcing us to accept all kinds of medical interventions, also giving up our data.
our medical information and our data, which is extremely important to them, which is why vaccine passports and universal digital IDs and things like that are being pushed very, very hard now all around the world.
Yeah, that's really interesting. Because I'm not a religious person, I definitely do refer to the Bible as more of a literary and historic, not historical per se document, but a very old and meaningful document.
I couldn't have said it better myself. That's exactly right. And that helps. It helps to know that we've been here before and we'll be here again. And as they say on Battlestar Galactica, all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.
But when I am lying awake at night, which I often am, thinking about these things, I think about what Matthias Desmet said to us at the conference about at the Brownstone Conference, which is that it's about love and it's about human connection. And that's what I try to focus on when I get really, really upset about what's happening.
On the other hand, like you said, I think it's very important to understand what's happening. And I think I'm very grateful that COVID happened. And I think it was possibly a mistake on the side of the globalist endeavor because I think it woke a lot of people like me up. I had no idea what was going on. And it made us all more aware. It made us all more cautious.
It made us all go out like Lisa and try to get everybody to understand what's going on. The person who has helped me to understand that the best is CJ Hopkins. I don't know if you know him. He's an American... He would be a good guest. He's an American... a dramatist and satirist and political commentator who has been charged in Germany, which is one of the worst perpetrators.
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