Debbie Lerman

And when I tried to question these things, because I used to be a very liberal Democrat type, the answers that I would get, which would be maybe more than anything, would be, I would say, can you believe these mask mandates? You know that in medical school, my husband in his first year learned that masks don't help against respiratory viruses. And they would say to me, are you a Trumpist?

And when I tried to question these things, because I used to be a very liberal Democrat type, the answers that I would get, which would be maybe more than anything, would be, I would say, can you believe these mask mandates? You know that in medical school, my husband in his first year learned that masks don't help against respiratory viruses. And they would say to me, are you a Trumpist?

So they were responding to my medical and scientific questioning with some kind of political rejoinder. And having known me all my life and knowing that I was a liberal Democrat, they were asking me absurd questions that also had nothing to do with the situation. And so that's what really sent me into a tailspin.

So they were responding to my medical and scientific questioning with some kind of political rejoinder. And having known me all my life and knowing that I was a liberal Democrat, they were asking me absurd questions that also had nothing to do with the situation. And so that's what really sent me into a tailspin.

And so for a while, I just was following the numbers and following a few scientists online and looking at studies. And eventually that led me to the Great Barrington Declaration and to Brownstone, which is one of the only platforms where people could publish true information about COVID. And then I started writing for Brownstone.

And so for a while, I just was following the numbers and following a few scientists online and looking at studies. And eventually that led me to the Great Barrington Declaration and to Brownstone, which is one of the only platforms where people could publish true information about COVID. And then I started writing for Brownstone.

And that's when I started going down those rabbit holes that you mentioned.

And that's when I started going down those rabbit holes that you mentioned.

I feel like I haven't changed my points of view at all. The only thing that I've changed is the groups that I identify with because the group I used to identify with does not share those values. So my values and my points of view are the same, which are science-based, fact-based, free speech-based, bodily autonomy-based, all the things that I've always believed in as a liberal Democrat.

I feel like I haven't changed my points of view at all. The only thing that I've changed is the groups that I identify with because the group I used to identify with does not share those values. So my values and my points of view are the same, which are science-based, fact-based, free speech-based, bodily autonomy-based, all the things that I've always believed in as a liberal Democrat.

But when all the liberal Democrats started believing...

But when all the liberal Democrats started believing...

It's extremely disorienting. And for me, it was very destabilizing in my life. I really felt like I was losing my mind. But as I found a new community of people coming from all sides of the political spectrum who really were just trying to find the truth, I felt that's what's been supporting me and sustaining me and trying to reach people.

It's extremely disorienting. And for me, it was very destabilizing in my life. I really felt like I was losing my mind. But as I found a new community of people coming from all sides of the political spectrum who really were just trying to find the truth, I felt that's what's been supporting me and sustaining me and trying to reach people.

on all sides and try to get the truth out because the other thing that was extremely frightening and still is, is the level of propaganda and censorship that we are being subjected to, which is very coordinated

on all sides and try to get the truth out because the other thing that was extremely frightening and still is, is the level of propaganda and censorship that we are being subjected to, which is very coordinated

So I guess I'll start with a document that I wrote about and that I think that was the article that Sasha sent to you about the government's pandemic planning. Because when I tried to figure out what was happening and why it was happening, I said, well, there must be a plan. And I wonder if they're following it because it sure doesn't seem like they're following a public health plan.

So I guess I'll start with a document that I wrote about and that I think that was the article that Sasha sent to you about the government's pandemic planning. Because when I tried to figure out what was happening and why it was happening, I said, well, there must be a plan. And I wonder if they're following it because it sure doesn't seem like they're following a public health plan.

So what is the plan? And so then I started just researching documents and looking at all the government pandemic plans starting, you know, 20, 30 years ago. And I encountered a parallel planning sort of channel, which was the biodefense planning. And biodefense is... planning for a biological terror attack or for bio warfare.

So what is the plan? And so then I started just researching documents and looking at all the government pandemic plans starting, you know, 20, 30 years ago. And I encountered a parallel planning sort of channel, which was the biodefense planning. And biodefense is... planning for a biological terror attack or for bio warfare.