Debbie Lerman
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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And what I noticed was a convergence of the biodefense planning with the pandemic, the public health pandemic plans, which converged in COVID. And so there is a document called the pandemic crisis action plan pan cap. There's a version, it gets updated every few years and it's just, what's the government they're going to do in the case of a pandemic.
And there's a version called the PanCap Adapted, which is adapted for COVID. And in that action plan, which is not available anywhere, even though it is the official government, the U.S. government's COVID plan, it says so at the top of the document. The only place it's available is on the New York Times servers, where I think they mistakenly left it after it was leaked to them.
And they wrote a little article about it in March 2020. or April of 2020. But it really isn't available anywhere else, and nobody knows about it. And it says, among other things, that the policy for the COVID pandemic response is set by, not by HHS, not by CDC, not by Tony Fauci. It's the National Security Council. And the National Security Council is the body that advises the president on
terrorism and wars. Interestingly, if you look at the website of the National Security Council today, you will see that they have added health security and climate security and every other kind of security to the kinds of things that the National Security Council is possibly going to deal with.
But before COVID, and for the entire history of the National Security Council before COVID, they were supposed to deal with wars and terrorism. And and national security in a military sense. So they were in charge of policy.
Now, when you asked about the communications, the very interesting thing about that is that in the pandemic crisis action plan adapted, it says that even though the Health and Human Services, which is the umbrella public health department, is supposed to be in charge of the pandemic response, actually they're not in charge of the pandemic response.
And in terms of communications, even though the CDC is supposed to be in charge of communications, All communications have to go through the office of the vice president, which was where the national security was housed and the task force, the government's COVID task force, which was the national security was a part, the national security council was a part of.
So even the communications that we thought we were getting from the CDC. I mean, they were coming from the mouthpieces and the spokespeople of the CDC and the HHS and NIAID, which is Fauci. The actual policies that they were saying, like masking, social distancing, lockdowns, and all of that was not coming from them. They did not make that up.
It came from the National Security Council and the task force. I know it sounds complicated and bureaucratic because that's part of the problem, but it's extremely important to understand that the entire pandemic response policy did not come from public health agencies.
So in my opinion, it was all pre-planned. But because it involves classified agencies... like the National Security Council, you can't FOIA them. And obviously their material is not in the public record. It's very hard to find what people would consider a smoking gun when they said, okay, we're taking over. You know, the pan cafe is the closest thing that I have.
But there's another very interesting data point that applies to what you're asking. And that is that in January 2020, when nobody knew or cared about this except for China and when there was some fear porn from China with people dropping down in the street, which we obviously know is fake because people never drop down dead in the street from COVID. That doesn't even happen.
But aside from that, nobody was very worried and everybody around the world was saying, this is not bad. It only affects old and sick people. Everybody else will be fine. But already back then, the meetings within the White House and within the planning sort of agencies got classified. They moved the COVID planning meetings into a room.
I forget the name of it now, but it's the room that they use in case of biological, chemical, or nuclear warfare. So whatever they were talking about in January about the plans, for the pandemic is classified. And then when we get the plans, they tell us that these are public health plans.
And we have no idea of knowing what they were talking about back in January 2020, which is when they obviously started rolling out the pandemic response plan. I've also found- When we move-
That's a good question. Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't know because my research all has to do with how the pandemic plan was rolled out and what happened afterwards.
starting when they shifted from the public health approach which was it's okay don't worry about it to the panic we have to lock everything down we have to put on five masks and close shut down schools for two years in my opinion and this is just an opinion if Biden had come into office and said okay it's over You know, whatever was happening, we've had the waves.
We've had everybody's been most people have been exposed. You know, we have some really good treatments that we can use. We don't need to wait for the vaccine. We can open everything up. I think he would have been a hero. And I think that that would have been the correct behavior. The fact that the Biden administration didn't just continue to
with the lockdowns, but doubled down on them and then enacted the vaccine mandates, which were probably the most egregious of all the pandemic response policies, tells me that they were continuing with the same plan. And that plan, by the way, I call lockdown until vaccine. So you lock everything down and you wait for the vaccine.
I wish I remembered my train of thought. I don't remember what I was saying there.
Wow. So the most astonishing and scary actually relates to what your previous guest was talking about. And what she was talking about, the globalism that she was talking about, what I have found is that the response in almost every country around the world, particularly NATO countries and U.S. allies, was identical.
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