Debbie Millman

But none of that work is here.

The hidden work is... It was a slide I took out.

you loved going to the Carnegie museum of art in Pittsburgh, but couldn't afford the $13 entrance fee.

And I understand you found a way to sneak in.

If it's still there.

What did that experience teach you about access to art?

And is that something you're bringing to the museum now that you're on the board?

Once you figured out how to get into the museum, you were there all the time.

And I believe that you also had a teacher in high school who believed you had talent or skill.

And she would meet you in the mornings before class at school, and you'd bring your paintings in in garbage bags, and she'd give you feedback.

What kinds of things was she telling you about your work?

And they always had the good coupons.

One of the masterpieces in the Ecologies of Painting exhibition here at the Met that we've been hearing about from the curators is Peter Bruegel's 1565 painting, Harvesters.

And you've said that first seeing Bruegel's work at that time of your life was life-changing, right?

In what way?

What did it inspire you in you?

How did you feel when you saw it?

How did that early exposure influence how you thought about art?

Did growing up in a post-industrial town where nature was literally reclaiming what industry had left behind shape your sense of what nature was at that time?

You have some paintings here of your grandmother, and they feel very conceptual in a lot of ways.