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What were your impressions of the town and what Abraham was facing?

Yeah. And so many of us, of course, as reporters have reported on stories either kind of adjacent to this. When you talk about in the piece, the curse of the lottery, it's kind of that trope, that idea that, yeah, everybody would love to win millions of dollars, but it can just sort of ruin your life. And in this case, it was devastating. Within three years, all of a sudden, this guy is missing.

Yeah. And so many of us, of course, as reporters have reported on stories either kind of adjacent to this. When you talk about in the piece, the curse of the lottery, it's kind of that trope, that idea that, yeah, everybody would love to win millions of dollars, but it can just sort of ruin your life. And in this case, it was devastating. Within three years, all of a sudden, this guy is missing.

That he just decided to step away from it all.

That he just decided to step away from it all.

And that was one of the twists and turns in this story, too, because for months he's gone and their text and D.D. is, of course, sort of setting these up. We're going to take a quick break. And, Matt, we're going to talk about your thrilling sit down interview with that convicted killer of Abraham Shakespeare. Stay with us. This episode is sponsored by the podcast Death County PA from Wondery.

And that was one of the twists and turns in this story, too, because for months he's gone and their text and D.D. is, of course, sort of setting these up. We're going to take a quick break. And, Matt, we're going to talk about your thrilling sit down interview with that convicted killer of Abraham Shakespeare. Stay with us. This episode is sponsored by the podcast Death County PA from Wondery.

When Lamont Jones learns that his young cousin died in custody just weeks after entering prison, his world shatters. The official report said natural causes. But how do bruises and missing teeth fit that explanation? Grief turns to frustration as Lamont faces an impossible choice. Accept the story being told or risk everything to uncover the truth about what happened.

When Lamont Jones learns that his young cousin died in custody just weeks after entering prison, his world shatters. The official report said natural causes. But how do bruises and missing teeth fit that explanation? Grief turns to frustration as Lamont faces an impossible choice. Accept the story being told or risk everything to uncover the truth about what happened.

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From Wondery comes Death County, PA. A chilling true story of corruption, cover-ups, and one man's pursuit of justice. Lamont's cousin's death is just one of many in Dauphin County Prison. And powerful forces are working to keep the truth buried. With never-before-heard interviews and shocking revelations, Death County PA pulls back the curtain on one of America's darkest institutional secrets.

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Hello, it's Robin Roberts here.

Hello, it's Robin Roberts here.

Welcome back to 2020 The After Show, where I'm talking with my colleague and friend, Matt Gutman. Matt, one of the most striking things about our program to me was that interview you did with Dee Dee Moore while she was behind bars in prison. I mean, she was professing her innocence. What was that like for you to sit there?

Welcome back to 2020 The After Show, where I'm talking with my colleague and friend, Matt Gutman. Matt, one of the most striking things about our program to me was that interview you did with Dee Dee Moore while she was behind bars in prison. I mean, she was professing her innocence. What was that like for you to sit there?

In her backyard, yeah.

In her backyard, yeah.

Your producer, Tom Berman, said your eyes were about to pop out of your head. Well, hold on a second, Matt, because I want to play an extended clip from your interview with Dee Dee Moore. Let's take a listen.