Deborah Roberts

Yeah, you formed a real bond with these families, and this family in particular.

Well, let's talk about the cold case unit, because that was what sort of turned this whole thing around.

Many states have started these cold case units, but this one started, and you had a lot to do with that,

Was it because of your memories and your connection to this case?

Yeah, and then to start connecting the dots with all of these different places.

So they were still hanging in there, if nothing else, just for the impact.

So, of course, you're teaming up with others and you've got to deal with law enforcement when you're doing this.

And about a year later, Detective Dan Jackson gets involved in the case.

Talk a little bit about his work on the case and the two of you working together.

And they're thinking, yeah, we've been there and done that and seen that.

And, you know, and understandably, because they've had no answers.

And it is sort of remarkable.

that they would hang in there and keep trying to see change.

You're bringing a fresh set of eyes, the two of you, and a lot of the stories that we've covered on 2020 turn on that.

Somebody new who has come into office who suddenly sees something a little different, maybe looking at the same evidence everybody else has, but sees it differently.

What struck you two when you began to look?

I mean, again, as you said, the DNA evidence was not compelling in terms of not having anybody to connect it to.

So what evidence really struck you?

You looked at an old shell casing and then there's something called the NIBIN system that you utilized in the case.

Okay, so you're looking at all of this and now you've, you know, you're sort of onto something that's a little bit more modern in terms of the way you can look at this evidence.