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Deborah Treisman

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321 total appearances

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The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

And now here's Sarah Swanian Bynum reading Evolution by Joan Silber.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

That was Sarah Swan-Yen Bynum reading Evolution by Joan Silber.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

The story appeared in The New Yorker in September of 2022 and became part of Silber's novel Mercy, which was published in 2025.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

So, Sarah, our first vision of Kara is of this 10-year-old sashaying around on her New York City fire escape in the middle of winter, swinging her bathrobe belt and singing.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

It's quite a way to establish a character from the get-go.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

Do you think that that moment is in any way symbolic?

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

You know, that we have this girl who's in a sense kind of playing with danger and then engaging with sexuality and then suddenly gets hurt by it.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

Right.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

And then we go straight from that exuberance to this kind of abrupt awareness of death.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

As she's coming in the window, she's suddenly quite sure she's going to have to manage dying alone.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

And she's angry at her mother for not having taught her how to do it.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

which is kind of hilarious as well because her mother hasn't yet done it.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

So how would she know?

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

But this moment of getting hurt leads to that revelation that she has both at home and at the hospital when she sees this man be abandoned by his friend that in a sense one is always alone and one does have to manage alone.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

Yeah, I mean, and we get the tension of that almost immediately because she says after this injury that she realizes that she will have to look out for herself.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

That's the lesson she walks away with.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

And then, well, it's six years later, but it's instantly on the page.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

She puts herself entirely into Brody's hands, you know, completely trusting this not very trustworthy guy.

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

So is that about not having learned the lesson she thought she'd learned or is that about defying that lesson or the pessimism of that lesson?

The New Yorker: Fiction
Sarah Shun-lien Bynum Reads Joan Silber

Yeah, that's something she stands by.