Debra Cantor Morton

I actually did quite a bit of my personal work with the both of them.

I have no idea.

how that happened.

There must have been some kind of supervision.

God, you'd hope so.

What were the trainings like?

It was, I use the word wholesome, but I use the word wholesome in contrast to where I feel like it went later.

I remember really stumbling on believing that my father loved or approved of me at that time.

John was sitting in front of me.

He would tell me that he loved me.

And then Rich would ask, well, do you believe?

Do you believe, John?

No, I don't.

Well, is there something that he could do that you would believe him?

And it became pretty clear to me that it was the fact that I wasn't believing what he was saying.

And the possibility is that maybe my father was telling me that he loved me in lots of different ways that I wasn't perceiving.

And it was quite an aha moment.

After that therapy, I called up my dad and I told him that I realized that he did love me.

He opened his heart at that point.

They had a community of followers.