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Debra Kamin

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
493 total appearances

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The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

She's also suing under several of the nation's civil rights laws that predate the Fair Housing Act from the 1800s when slavery was abolished.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

And all of those are being applied in this lawsuit as evidence for discrimination.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

I mean, if she wins, it sets a precedent that will hopefully be very influential in other cases, but it doesn't stop other communities and other districts from popping up.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

This is not going to be the end of what Return to the Land represents.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

In fact, they say, and there's no way to verify this, but they say their membership numbers have tripled since last summer when I visited.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

And they also say that there's at least one other community somewhere outside of Arkansas that's now also being built.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

They won't say where it is, and they're not willing to give any more information.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

But according to them, they are definitely growing.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

I reached out to them when they were first sued, and I actually let them know about the lawsuit.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

They were not yet aware of it.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

They said they remain very confident that they're on solid legal ground because they believe everything they said about the Fair Housing Act and the quote-unquote loophole that they found, they believe that it will hold.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

And they also told me that the First Amendment and the freedom to associate will also be something they can lean on in court that will help them win.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

That being said, they've been very active on social media over the past few weeks and

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

talking about Michelle Walker, about how it's a Jew who tried to infiltrate them, talking about her Black husband, talking about how they need to raise money for their legal fund.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

They understand that this is a real challenge that they need to fight in hopes of maintaining the community they've created.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

Rachel, if we were having this conversation two years ago, I would tell you that they're active and they're paying attention.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

But many of those guardrails have really been chipped away at over the past couple years.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

And what are those guardrails?

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

So there's three.

The Daily
One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

The first guardrail is the state.