Debra Kamin

Well, she also didn't get in.

She didn't.

But what I can tell you is now she is standing behind this lawsuit.

She has been subject to horrific threats from the right.

And there is a part of her that understood the stakes before she filed the suit, and she chose to go forward anyway.

When it comes down to it, if this community is allowed to thrive, it's going to be a blueprint for segregation across the United States.

It's going to be a model for unraveling what has been one of the foundational laws that has shaped our country and shaped all of our lives in ways we don't even realize.

When you segregate a community, you're not just picking your neighbors.

You are deciding who's going to get a chance in life and who's not.

Because where you live determines nearly everything else about how life shakes out for you.

It determines where your kids go to school.

It determines what kind of jobs are available to you.

It determines if there's healthy food available to you.

It determines how hot it gets in the summer because communities that are low income are significantly hotter and are experiencing climate change at a rate that higher income communities are not.

So without the Fair Housing Act, without the ability to enforce it, we are saying that there's going to be a two-tier level of citizenship, people who have access to social mobility and people who don't.

And that's what makes the stakes so high in this one lawsuit.

Thank you for having me.

It's nice to be here again. Good to see you.

It's nice to be here again. Good to see you.

The expectations were sky high. The words that were being used by economists and analysts in the industry, earth-shattering, watershed, landmark, the greatest change to the real estate industry since the New Deal. Things that were really... pinning hopes that this was going to shake up a stagnant housing market and offer real relief to consumers in the U.S. who desperately need it.