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But as you mentioned, he just hasn't talked about it very much in the weeks and months following that.

Why hasn't this been more of a focus for him?

Well, that's what I was thinking about is like I thought for sure coming out of the 2024 election that one of the takeaways broadly in the U.S.

political system was that you can't tell voters the economy is good if they're not feeling it.

And it does feel like I don't know.

It does feel like it's still happening to some extent.

Well, do you think, Scott, that there's going to be some moment where the tax refunds start coming in in a couple months and people's opinions about all of this stuff just change?

Well, maybe the biggest thing potentially is interest rates.

And we're going to talk after a break about Trump's ongoing feud with the Fed and Fed Chair Jerome Powell.

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So for much of his second term, President Trump has been pressuring the Federal Reserve and its chairman, Jerome Powell, to lower interest rates, which he thinks would help juice the economy.

But the administration really ramped up that pressure this past weekend.

Scott, can you tell us about that?

Yeah.

I do feel like with a situation like this, though, it is like it becomes very quickly like a he said, she said situation.

And I feel like, Scott, I do want to just take a second and zero on the actual accusation.

Like, do independent observers think there could be anything to this investigation?

Sounds like my house, honestly.

I'm like, we found asbestos, we're trying to put in air conditioning.