Deepika Chopra

And even just that curiosity of like, how will this change?

I'm not sure how it will, but how will it, I know it will.

I wonder how it will change.

Even just sitting in that is optimistic.

Absolutely.

First of all, I'm so sorry for that.

She sounds like an incredible human.

And I spent a majority of my sort of clinical training as a psycho-oncologist at UCLA.

And so working with oncology patients and their families and

it was really there that I had already been really focused on the idea of optimism, but it was really there that it was such a big part of my foundation and really formed how I think about optimism in that experience there.

But that's very incredible.

Yes, absolutely.

In fact, I would say optimism is truly cultivated in those moments of struggle and hardship.

And the reason for that is, again, because it is so closely tied to this idea of being fully rooted and grounded in your current emotional experience.

So this is not about swiping something underneath a rug or being delusional.

This is hard right now, but it's not the whole story.

And it's not the whole story.

So optimism lives in that.

And it's important to really preface that

it doesn't skip over the hard parts.