Defense Attorney

But then you tried to explain later that, yes, she told you about that, but that was after Gary was already found, right?

From his testimony, he was under duress and he had to, quote, give them something. He later recanted that statement and said that she told him he was on the burn pile much later after Gary's remains had already been found.

From his testimony, he was under duress and he had to, quote, give them something. He later recanted that statement and said that she told him he was on the burn pile much later after Gary's remains had already been found.

You didn't have any missing guns that you couldn't account for, right? No, sir.

You didn't have any missing guns that you couldn't account for, right? No, sir.

That was what she was most concerned about, that she couldn't show her face in town anymore. So she felt like she needed to say something.

That was what she was most concerned about, that she couldn't show her face in town anymore. So she felt like she needed to say something.

Who else has keys other than, I assume, the cleaning lady? Does she have a key? Oh, she may have a key. So Melody's got a key. Cleaning lady may have a key. Well, you're rusty. Rusty's got a key. Uh-huh. So at least five people.

Who else has keys other than, I assume, the cleaning lady? Does she have a key? Oh, she may have a key. So Melody's got a key. Cleaning lady may have a key. Well, you're rusty. Rusty's got a key. Uh-huh. So at least five people.

Well, that was my idea. I was constantly trying to think of what could I use for that demonstration. I think it starts to become clear why I'm doing this. Why am I dropping these bags? These bags are 40 pounds a piece. When I would drop one of the bags, you could feel the floor shake. And I wanted that to happen because I wanted the jury specifically to know how heavy this was.

Well, that was my idea. I was constantly trying to think of what could I use for that demonstration. I think it starts to become clear why I'm doing this. Why am I dropping these bags? These bags are 40 pounds a piece. When I would drop one of the bags, you could feel the floor shake. And I wanted that to happen because I wanted the jury specifically to know how heavy this was.

This is 320 pounds. I am 185 pounds.

This is 320 pounds. I am 185 pounds.

The whole trial, we were noting that he was 300 pounds. She was 120 pounds. It was impossible that she could have moved him. But there was a person on the property who could. And that's Scott Ferris.

The whole trial, we were noting that he was 300 pounds. She was 120 pounds. It was impossible that she could have moved him. But there was a person on the property who could. And that's Scott Ferris.

It was a strategic decision that was ultimately made.

It was a strategic decision that was ultimately made.

Yeah, it's very different reading essentially a self-prepared speech than it is being under cross-examination.

Yeah, it's very different reading essentially a self-prepared speech than it is being under cross-examination.

In the early morning hours of November 23rd, 2022, Jason Chen killed Jasmine Pace.