Demis Hassabis

And we have these incredible product surfaces, billions of user services that

natural fits for AI, actually, from search to email to Chrome.

But it's just getting all of that together and organized in the right way.

And I think we've done that in the last couple of years.

And there's still a lot more work to do, but I think we're starting to see the fruits of that.

Not really.

I mean, I didn't think it was cataclysmic in the first place.

I think it was a massive overreaction.

In the West, it was impressive.

And I think it shows that the Chinese are very capable, the leading companies.

I think companies like ByteDance actually, I would say, are the most capable.

And they're maybe only six months behind, not one or two years behind the frontier.

So I think that's what DeepSeq showed.

Some of the claims were over-exaggerated about the amount of compute they used and being so minimal and so on, because they relied on some Western models and also fine-tuning on the outputs of some of the leading Western models.

So it wasn't sort of de novo.

And the other thing I think so far is not yet to be seen is can China actually, the Chinese companies innovate beyond the frontier themselves.

Is he currently the guy who's like warning people?

Is he on like a podcast tour warning people?

No, then I don't know anything about him.

Enlighten me.