Dennis McKenna

Psychological torture. And he took great pleasure in doing that, you know. But eventually I became sort of immune to it. And then I would sort of, you know, push back. And, you know, but I mean we had – This relationship, which actually, we became closer after he left home. He left to go to high school in California when he was a junior. And so all of a sudden, I was effectively an only child.

This was early. This was like 1962. Well, I had my own room. That was great. But I was lonely. And I was sort of... At that point, I began to realize what a true sort of soulmate he was, how much I loved him, even though there was constant fighting. But when he was away, I began to appreciate him. And I began to really look forward to his visits back at Christmas and summer and so on.

This was early. This was like 1962. Well, I had my own room. That was great. But I was lonely. And I was sort of... At that point, I began to realize what a true sort of soulmate he was, how much I loved him, even though there was constant fighting. But when he was away, I began to appreciate him. And I began to really look forward to his visits back at Christmas and summer and so on.

This was early. This was like 1962. Well, I had my own room. That was great. But I was lonely. And I was sort of... At that point, I began to realize what a true sort of soulmate he was, how much I loved him, even though there was constant fighting. But when he was away, I began to appreciate him. And I began to really look forward to his visits back at Christmas and summer and so on.

And we discovered that we had these mutual interests. And one of the main interests that sort of fascinated us as a continuing carrot was science fiction. I mean, that was the thing. We were serious science fiction nerds. And when psychedelics came along or began to come along in the 60s, You know, we were fascinated by this because we were both like nerds.

And we discovered that we had these mutual interests. And one of the main interests that sort of fascinated us as a continuing carrot was science fiction. I mean, that was the thing. We were serious science fiction nerds. And when psychedelics came along or began to come along in the 60s, You know, we were fascinated by this because we were both like nerds.

And we discovered that we had these mutual interests. And one of the main interests that sort of fascinated us as a continuing carrot was science fiction. I mean, that was the thing. We were serious science fiction nerds. And when psychedelics came along or began to come along in the 60s, You know, we were fascinated by this because we were both like nerds.

You know, we were fascinated with weird shit, basically. When psychedelics came along, we knew about it. We were fascinated by it. But a lot of people who became interested in psychedelics in that era were – they approached it from the standpoint of a traditional use or shamanism or therapeutic use or – You know, that sort of approach, you know, that it was a spiritual thing.

You know, we were fascinated with weird shit, basically. When psychedelics came along, we knew about it. We were fascinated by it. But a lot of people who became interested in psychedelics in that era were – they approached it from the standpoint of a traditional use or shamanism or therapeutic use or – You know, that sort of approach, you know, that it was a spiritual thing.

You know, we were fascinated with weird shit, basically. When psychedelics came along, we knew about it. We were fascinated by it. But a lot of people who became interested in psychedelics in that era were – they approached it from the standpoint of a traditional use or shamanism or therapeutic use or – You know, that sort of approach, you know, that it was a spiritual thing.

We were science fiction nuts. We approached it as an engineering problem. We thought, especially with DMT. I mean, DMT quickly rose in our pantheon to being the ultimate psychedelic, you know. And we thought, this stuff, this is not a drug. This is a portal to another dimension. That was the way that we thought of it.

We were science fiction nuts. We approached it as an engineering problem. We thought, especially with DMT. I mean, DMT quickly rose in our pantheon to being the ultimate psychedelic, you know. And we thought, this stuff, this is not a drug. This is a portal to another dimension. That was the way that we thought of it.

We were science fiction nuts. We approached it as an engineering problem. We thought, especially with DMT. I mean, DMT quickly rose in our pantheon to being the ultimate psychedelic, you know. And we thought, this stuff, this is not a drug. This is a portal to another dimension. That was the way that we thought of it.

That was in the future.

That was in the future.

That was in the future.

There was LSD. There was mescaline. And there was DMT. There wasn't much DMT around, but it was there. DMT is a very simple molecule. It's very easy to make. There were underground chemists making DMT. And when my brother was living in Berkeley, originally in Los Altos where he was going to high school, he had connections. He had actually one –

There was LSD. There was mescaline. And there was DMT. There wasn't much DMT around, but it was there. DMT is a very simple molecule. It's very easy to make. There were underground chemists making DMT. And when my brother was living in Berkeley, originally in Los Altos where he was going to high school, he had connections. He had actually one –

There was LSD. There was mescaline. And there was DMT. There wasn't much DMT around, but it was there. DMT is a very simple molecule. It's very easy to make. There were underground chemists making DMT. And when my brother was living in Berkeley, originally in Los Altos where he was going to high school, he had connections. He had actually one –

One of his closest friends was one of his classmates, a fellow named Rick Watson, who was another super genius weirdo. And Rick Watson was a chemist, and he was actually an amateur chemist, but he had some connections with the Stanford Research Institute. And the Stanford Research Institute was working with DMT, as it turned out at that time.