Dennis Whyte

And there were several pioneers of people at MIT, like Bruno Coppi, who's a professor in the physics department, and Ron Parker, who was a professor in electrical engineering and nuclear engineering.

It's like even the makeup of the people has got this blend of science and engineering in them.

And that actually was the origin of the Plough Science and Fusion Center was doing those things.

So anyway, so back to this.

So yes, tokamaks have achieved the highest in magnetic fusion by far, like the best amounts of these conditions that I talked about.

And in fact, pushed right up to the point where they were near Qp of 1.

They just didn't quite get over 1.

It's a great question.

So, as I said, there was a reason, because it was so hard, that was one of the reasons they declassified it.

And actually, they started working together in some sense on it as well, too.

And I think it was really, there was...

a heuristic or altruistic aspect to this.

It's like, this is something that could change the future of humanity and its nature and its relationship with energy.

Isn't this something that we should work on together?

Right?

And that went along in those ones.

And in particularly, that any kind of place where you can actually have an open exchange of people who are sort of at the intellectual frontiers of your society, this is a good thing, right?

Yeah.

Being able to collaborate.

I've had the – I mean, I have had an amazing career.