Dennis Whyte

And that's a project called ITER, which is under construction in the south of France right now.

So its scientific purpose is a worthy one that it's essentially, in any fusion device, the thing that you want to see is more and more relative amounts of self-heating.

And this is something that had not been seen, although we had made fusion reactions and we'd seen small amounts of the self-heating, we never got to a dominant... This actually goes to this QP business, okay?

The goal of ITER...

And it shifted around a little bit historically, but fairly quickly became, we want to get to a large amount of self-heating.

So this is why it has, its primary feature is to get to QP of around 10.

And through this, this is a way to study this plasma that has more higher levels of self-determination around on it.

But it also has another feature, which was, let's produce fusion power at a relevant scale.

And, and actually they're linked together, which actually makes sense to think about is that because the fusion power is the heating source itself, this means that they're linked together.

And so ITER makes, is projected to make about 500 million Watts of fusion power.

So this is a significant amount, like this is what you would use, you know, for powering cities.

Yeah, yes.

So this meant then, too, is the development of an industrial base that can actually produce the technologies like the electromagnets and so forth.

And to do it with, it is a tokamak.

It is one of these, yes.

But very interesting, it also revealed limitations of this as well, too.

Like what?

Well, it's interesting is that it is clearly a – on paper and in fact in practice as well too, the world – and very different political systems and you consider at least geopolitical or economic rivals or whatever you want to use.

Like working towards a common cause and one that we all think is worthy is very like, okay, that's very satisfying.

But it's also interesting to see the limitations of this.