Denver Riggleman

Right.

It's incredible.

The third thing.

Can you imagine them using both of those pillars to do exactly what you said, which is deploying CBP or ICE to polling lines, legal lawfare against polling stations or against election counting centers, right, where they try to slow roll the vote.

The other thing is just simply...

My biggest fear really is simply using a legal apparatus in the Supreme Court to really not only slow roll but to throw out certain sections of the voting code or saying that they think that President Trump has an actual constitutional argument to actually nationalize elections.

All this conspiratorial thinking, the SAVE Act, all that is going down that road.

And again, it just scares the hell out of me that we sort of called it in the tabletops back in 24.

Me and you are – we try to do these shows.

We try not to get hyperbolic.

We're so down the line because of both where we came from, whether it's military, the way we're trained.

You teach, Amy, right?

I'm a CEO of a company that deals in data.

We try really hard to hold the line outside of hyperbole, outside of anything conspiratorial or facts-based.

But it's hard not to think about 70,000 people being detained, children for an extended length of time, and ProPublica is doing God's work here.

And not to think – the right word isn't war crimes, but there's certainly something here that's so –

God, the word that popped in my mind is deleterious.

I mean, who uses that stupid word?

But it's so awful, right?

It's so specifically awful.