Deputy Steve Kivy
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And then there's a stoppage. How long does she stop running and she's just in one place? We had as much as four minutes. And then all of a sudden, Molly is now moving on a different road south about 60 miles an hour. Well, we know she can't run that fast. So we knew it had to be in a vehicle.
And then there's a stoppage. How long does she stop running and she's just in one place? We had as much as four minutes. And then all of a sudden, Molly is now moving on a different road south about 60 miles an hour. Well, we know she can't run that fast. So we knew it had to be in a vehicle.
So while we're looking at cars, one of the agents, Matt George, is staring at the screen and he sees Molly. We reached the end of 385th, and now this is where the cell phone data starts showing us where Molly is suddenly moving at 60 miles an hour down this road.
So while we're looking at cars, one of the agents, Matt George, is staring at the screen and he sees Molly. We reached the end of 385th, and now this is where the cell phone data starts showing us where Molly is suddenly moving at 60 miles an hour down this road.
The thing you always got to keep in your back of your mind is just because it's the cell phone data we're tracking doesn't mean it's the body we're tracking.
The thing you always got to keep in your back of your mind is just because it's the cell phone data we're tracking doesn't mean it's the body we're tracking.
Either the phone shut off or it's destroyed. So we had an idea where the phone stopped peening. That could just mean that someone decided to kick it out the window or run it over.
Either the phone shut off or it's destroyed. So we had an idea where the phone stopped peening. That could just mean that someone decided to kick it out the window or run it over.
Police were dealing with dozens, even hundreds of leads. She was supposedly seen down at a rest stop in Missouri or eating tacos in Colorado. It was chasing her tail, you know, chasing red herrings.
Police were dealing with dozens, even hundreds of leads. She was supposedly seen down at a rest stop in Missouri or eating tacos in Colorado. It was chasing her tail, you know, chasing red herrings.
Kind of looked at each other one day and thought, I wonder if this is what we're going to be doing for like the next five or six years.
Kind of looked at each other one day and thought, I wonder if this is what we're going to be doing for like the next five or six years.
I'm guessing not a lot of them. We collected all the video we could, but most of it was not very good.
I'm guessing not a lot of them. We collected all the video we could, but most of it was not very good.
The time was 748. So while we're looking at cars, one of the agents, Matt George, is staring at the screen and he sees Molly.
The time was 748. So while we're looking at cars, one of the agents, Matt George, is staring at the screen and he sees Molly.
That's my first time in the case. We all started looking at each other like, Holy cow, is this it? Is this the break we needed?
That's my first time in the case. We all started looking at each other like, Holy cow, is this it? Is this the break we needed?
A unique car. It's aftermarket stuff that's put on the car. If you wanted us to go find a Black Malibu, we could find hundreds that all look the same. This one was different.
A unique car. It's aftermarket stuff that's put on the car. If you wanted us to go find a Black Malibu, we could find hundreds that all look the same. This one was different.
No, it was just a fuzzy driver is all we could really see.
No, it was just a fuzzy driver is all we could really see.
All we had is a car, and we were thinking, what are the odds that we'll ever find this car?
All we had is a car, and we were thinking, what are the odds that we'll ever find this car?
They were able to eliminate a lot of cars in that area by knowing the owners. But not this one?
They were able to eliminate a lot of cars in that area by knowing the owners. But not this one?
You don't use the term divine intervention much, but you're finally getting lucky.
You don't use the term divine intervention much, but you're finally getting lucky.
Does he have a criminal record? So we don't know. He's essentially a ghost. Any of his co-workers tell you anything interesting? Everybody thought he was a good worker. Decent guy, kind of quiet. Worked a lot of hours.
Does he have a criminal record? So we don't know. He's essentially a ghost. Any of his co-workers tell you anything interesting? Everybody thought he was a good worker. Decent guy, kind of quiet. Worked a lot of hours.
He not only agreed to that, he agreed to letting us tow them into the sheriff's office.
He not only agreed to that, he agreed to letting us tow them into the sheriff's office.
Talk about rolling the dice. I mean, that was a huge roll of dice.
Talk about rolling the dice. I mean, that was a huge roll of dice.
There were a lot of ebbs and flows to the interview. The amount of stress was almost unbelievable.
There were a lot of ebbs and flows to the interview. The amount of stress was almost unbelievable.
She had been gone a little over 24 hours. Those are crucial hours, aren't they? Yes, they are. All we really had was that she went out for a jog and never came home.
She had been gone a little over 24 hours. Those are crucial hours, aren't they? Yes, they are. All we really had was that she went out for a jog and never came home.
Yes, and to take it one step further, we decided to pull her partner out of there because he was only engaged with her. What's going to happen to me?
Yes, and to take it one step further, we decided to pull her partner out of there because he was only engaged with her. What's going to happen to me?
It's depressing. Makes you angry as to what you believe probably what happened.
It's depressing. Makes you angry as to what you believe probably what happened.
It was a devastating moment for the case, for the prosecution.
It was a devastating moment for the case, for the prosecution.
Yes, it did. It was maybe one of my bright, shining moments in my career.
Yes, it did. It was maybe one of my bright, shining moments in my career.
She had been gone a little over 24 hours, but reported missing maybe 12. Those are crucial hours, aren't they? Yes.
She had been gone a little over 24 hours, but reported missing maybe 12. Those are crucial hours, aren't they? Yes.
She was supposed to be at work, but she didn't show up for work. So that pushes us back until the prior evening. And the best we could tell was around 7 p.m. she had a text to her mother saying, saying she was going to go for a jog or something and then maybe come over for dinner. So that's your starting point, 7 p.m.?
She was supposed to be at work, but she didn't show up for work. So that pushes us back until the prior evening. And the best we could tell was around 7 p.m. she had a text to her mother saying, saying she was going to go for a jog or something and then maybe come over for dinner. So that's your starting point, 7 p.m.?
Why was she staying in that house? Dalton was out of town working, so Molly had to stay there to let the dogs out. She was essentially dog-sitting.
Why was she staying in that house? Dalton was out of town working, so Molly had to stay there to let the dogs out. She was essentially dog-sitting.
They basically give us a tour of the house. And they say, look, Molly's wallet's here. All her clothes are still here. We look for kicked-in doors, signs of a scuffle inside the house. The house was exactly the way it was supposed to look.
They basically give us a tour of the house. And they say, look, Molly's wallet's here. All her clothes are still here. We look for kicked-in doors, signs of a scuffle inside the house. The house was exactly the way it was supposed to look.
How'd she know it was Molly? Because she's a hairdresser and she cut Molly's hair and she gave a pretty good description of what Molly was wearing. Black running shorts, a pink sports bra. She said she could see her ponytail bouncing. It was our first real definitive timestamp.
How'd she know it was Molly? Because she's a hairdresser and she cut Molly's hair and she gave a pretty good description of what Molly was wearing. Black running shorts, a pink sports bra. She said she could see her ponytail bouncing. It was our first real definitive timestamp.
Or was she lying injured beside the road? Ditches in July in Brooklyn are waist to chest high in grass. Corn is 8 to 10 feet high on both sides of the road. So if you wanted to hide something, you wouldn't have to try that hard. You could hide 100 bodies along that road and they'd be hard to find.
Or was she lying injured beside the road? Ditches in July in Brooklyn are waist to chest high in grass. Corn is 8 to 10 feet high on both sides of the road. So if you wanted to hide something, you wouldn't have to try that hard. You could hide 100 bodies along that road and they'd be hard to find.
I remember seeing trucks with boats, canoes, that kind of thing behind them. They were going to search waterways, that sort of thing.
I remember seeing trucks with boats, canoes, that kind of thing behind them. They were going to search waterways, that sort of thing.
what we were able to actually do is we had her password. We were able to clone her phone and get all the data off it just by buying a new iPhone at Walmart.
what we were able to actually do is we had her password. We were able to clone her phone and get all the data off it just by buying a new iPhone at Walmart.
It was frustrating because generally you will find an aha moment that points you in the right direction, but we weren't picking up on any of that.
It was frustrating because generally you will find an aha moment that points you in the right direction, but we weren't picking up on any of that.
We were able to right away put Dalton Jack about two hours away in a hotel with coworkers. And he actually went into Walmart and bought groceries right around the time Molly started jogging.
We were able to right away put Dalton Jack about two hours away in a hotel with coworkers. And he actually went into Walmart and bought groceries right around the time Molly started jogging.
We did. Sex offenders along the routes. We were not only talking to the people, we were searching every bit of the property. We'd go into the garden shed, the garages, the rafters of the garage, the basements of the house.
We did. Sex offenders along the routes. We were not only talking to the people, we were searching every bit of the property. We'd go into the garden shed, the garages, the rafters of the garage, the basements of the house.
You asked Wayne Chaney to take a polygraph. Yes, we did. It's interesting because he got mad and he ended the polygraph before he finished it. So it didn't look good for him.
You asked Wayne Chaney to take a polygraph. Yes, we did. It's interesting because he got mad and he ended the polygraph before he finished it. So it didn't look good for him.