DeRay McKesson

But like in the neighborhood, it's just more so like... I just feel like they were trying to throw their weight around.

And of course you would hear about people like being killed by the police or...

It's such an isolated situation.

Before Trayvon, it was such an isolated situation that the only thing you think about is Rodney King.

And then, of course, Sean Bell, things like that.

But the media still had control over the narrative.

So there's always like, from the public, especially like, I'm maybe, I think at the time of Mike Brown, I was 24, 23, 24.

So I'm really young and I'm like still kind of deconstructing America, so to speak.

And then it was like, Mike Brown, Alton Sterling, Trayvon, all these things happened back to back.

I was like, hold on, like, they just like, killing us like this?

Mapping police violence.

Yeah, I think it... If you can map it at that level, it gives a feeling of warfare to it, right?

Absolutely.

Yeah, so I was curious to see what...

Of course, I know you have thoughts about ICE, but you got to see like firsthand militarized police in Baltimore and in Ferguson.

This was the first time that I was aware of like

how militarized the police were.

And it's like, hold on, this shouldn't be deployed against us, like US citizens.

This gets a little weird.

And then you see ICE is like the 2.0 version of that.