Dereck Jackson

And I don't think at that time I had a cellie.

Did I have a cellie at that time?

I think it might have been the old guy with the B number, which is a very old number back in the 60s.

60 or 70s, and he's the one that kind of told me, you know, this is what you do.

It kind of gave me the breakdown.

He was a lifer.

And that's usually what they do.

So in California, if you're a white boy and you go to prison, you're with the whites.

You know, like everything you guys see on the social media, most of that's true.

You know, you go in there, you're not – as a wood, you're not –

In my eyes, I'd never considered myself a gang member.

But on paper for CDCR, you're considered a gang member because you're in a group and you're doing crimes.

So that's what gang members do.

So he pretty much laced me up on everything, taught me how to cut out knives, sharpen knives, make knives out of boxers, all that crazy shit.

I know it sounds shocking.

So the boxers have like this string in it and you can melt it down.

It's like plastic.

Okay.

What the heck is it called?

I forgot.