Derek
Appearances
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
I'll take your green sun.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
Well, somebody had to drop those nukes on the...
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
That's why he does it. Isn't that what the rest of the world does? They're like, yeah, this is what they do.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
And you're so stressed about it, you're like, you know what will help this?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
No matter what the environment he's in.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
Ask me about the eye?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
Vala goes, Vala goes, Vala goes, oh, yeah, now we're ready to go. Al goes, I've been waiting to say that for 10 years. Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
He's a fucking idiot. Look at this. Look at a happy house. I thought I was the age to go back, go back. Oh, look at you fucking cornball.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
Next slide. Is there one more?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
Kid pens.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
Do it for the Pootie Club.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
The beginning of the set, I'm like, this is fun.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
In case any of you guys only speak English, I'll do this version of the show.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
OnlyFans Girl Takes on 1000 Dudes & How to Fix British Grooming Gangs w/ Adam Rowe
Because that not only ruins that. You did not take a fucking Uber here.
Astrum Space
Mars Has a Fatal Flaw - And No-one Has the Solution (ft. Veritasium)
Derek? Thanks, Alex. The atmosphere on Mars is really thin, so for a long time, flying there was thought to be impossible. But we've been working with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory to get exclusive access to Ingenuity, the first helicopter on Mars.
Astrum Space
Mars Has a Fatal Flaw - And No-one Has the Solution (ft. Veritasium)
Ingenuity made use of super lightweight materials and two sets of carbon fiber blades to achieve a total of 72 groundbreaking flights over the course of her three-year lifespan. She traveled over 17 kilometers and took some really cool shots along the way. It's a great example of how engineers adjust their tech to the environment.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
It's not like I ghosted you. We've been texting back and forth.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
Yeah, it seems a little weird. I don't usually get radio stations calling me in the morning.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
Do you even know anything about it? I mean, I figure it's your call. I mean, can somebody wants to reach out?
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
I mean, I'm kind of interested, but at the moment, I'm not kind of interested.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
No, I'm single. I'm single.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
Yeah. I mean, I like her. I just made a big mistake.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
Okay, I'll just tell you, but you can't tell her. We won't.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
Deal? So I don't know if she told you, but we bought each other plants on our date.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
Okay, right, right. Yeah, we named them.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
But when we were leaving the mall, I didn't realize I left Gertrude on the roof of my car. Oh. So I drove away. No. I heard about... Yeah, I heard a bump. I didn't know what it was, so I backed up and I ran over Gertrude.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
Cassie, I really didn't know you were on the phone. I didn't know you heard any of that.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
I like plants just as much as everybody else, but you guys are acting like it's a human being.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
I was going to go ahead and get a new plant to try and fake it.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
Yeah, so I went back the next day to see if they had the same plan, and they didn't.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
See, I'm a good guy. I don't murder plants all the time. I buy them.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Plant Me A Kiss
I try and keep them alive. He tries to keep them alive. I've never run over one before. This was the first?
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
We ran frantically, branches clawing at our faces, roots catching at our feet. Jess tripped, sprawling to the ground. Rachel helped her up roughly, pulling her forward. But in that moment, Jess froze, her eyes widening as she stared into the thickening smoke behind us.
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Something moved, something large, indistinct, weaving between the trees, whistles now blending with deep, guttural sounds that sent ice coursing through my veins. Jess pushed Rachel hard. "'Keep going,' she whispered urgently. We sprinted blindly, terror overriding exhaustion. My heart hammered painfully as darkness enveloped us entirely." Hours later, or perhaps minutes, time lost meaning.
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I stumbled onto a forest service road. I collapsed onto gravel, breathing raggedly. I glanced desperately around. Rachel emerged a moment later, eyes hollow, face streaked with dirt and tears. Jess never appeared. Days later, the rangers found no trace of Tyler, Marcus, Ben, or Jess. Rachel and I were the only survivors. The official report listed the area as restricted due to wildfire risk.
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But we knew differently. There was no fire. There was no official investigation. Dunhollow quietly disappeared from maps, forgotten. Yet, sometimes late at night, I swear I still hear two sharp whistles from somewhere far away, just beyond my window, an invitation I will never answer. My name is Trevor Martinez.
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I've always preferred the solitude of hiking alone, capturing everything on my GoPro for my modest audience online. There's a certain clarity in isolation, especially in places like Los Padres National Forest, where the terrain is raw and unforgiving. This trip in particular was supposed to be straightforward. A two-night loop along the Devil's Backbone Trail, starting from the Neera campground.
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I'd done my research, steep ridgelines, thorny brush, and a handful of wildlife warnings. Nothing I hadn't handled before. It was late spring, and the California heat hadn't fully taken hold yet.
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i hit the trail at dawn camera rolling birds sang intermittently as i navigated through dry chaparral taking steady strides across the rocky path by mid-morning the rhythmic crunch of my boots was the only thing accompanying me around midday the path narrowed and the chaparral became denser whipping at my sleeves it was then on an exposed ridge i first saw it just off the trail on a wide boulder
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stood a strange stone cairn. At first glance, it looked like a normal stack of rocks, the kind hikers leave behind to mark obscure routes. But something felt off. Approaching cautiously, I realized it wasn't a simple stack. It spiraled inward, tight and deliberate, with no obvious point or message. Probably just someone's weird art project, I muttered to myself, half laughing.
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The fire crackled low, sparks drifting upward into the gathering darkness. Tyler spoke up, voice quieter than usual. You know, I read some weird stuff online about this area. Some hikers claimed people have disappeared out here, east of Shores Lake toward Dun Hollow. Said something about it being bad ground. Marcus rolled his eyes. Come on, Tyler, those stories are just meant to scare tourists.
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But the silence around me made my voice echo strangely, and I quickly pressed on. Hours passed, and as daylight stretched thin, I found myself noticing more spiraling cairns. Each one was smaller and more intricate than the last. They were leading away from the main trail, deeper into the rugged hills and canyons. Curiosity tugged at me.
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Maybe it was some forgotten historical trail, possibly a route left by locals? I checked my GPS, which flickered weakly under the dense canopy, the signal fading in and out unpredictably. Still, my curiosity got the better of me, and with the reassurance of being well equipped, I turned off the main path, following these peculiar markers into increasingly rough terrain.
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The landscape changed subtly, becoming steep and heavily wooded. The ground softened, carpeted with fallen needles and dense underbrush that snagged my gear. The spirals led further downhill into a narrow canyon unmarked on my maps. At the canyon bottom, I found a trickle of water barely big enough to fill my canteen.
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Perfect place to camp, I figured, setting up my small tent under the shade of dense oak and sycamore trees. That night, sleep was restless. Every creak of branches overhead, every rustle in the brush, set my nerves on edge. Twice I sat up abruptly, convinced I heard footsteps circling my camp.
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But when I shined my flashlight into the surrounding darkness, nothing but shadows and branches stared back. Eventually, I drifted into uneasy sleep. Just before dawn, I woke again, sharply, my pulse racing. I couldn't pinpoint why until I realized what was bothering me. The forest was completely silent. Not even the distant hoot of an owl or hum of insects, nothing.
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Shivering despite the mild night, I whispered into my camera, documenting my unease. Something feels off here, like I shouldn't have followed those cairns. I paused, suddenly aware of a faint noise in the trees above. A subtle scraping, almost like fingernails lightly dragging on bark. My breathing quickened. I turned the camera lens toward the trees, squinting into the darkness.
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For a brief second, I thought I saw movement. A vague silhouette, human-shaped, standing absolutely still. Hello? My voice cracked slightly, betraying my fear. Silence swallowed my words, offering no reassurance. I tried convincing myself it was just shadows and tired eyes. But deep down, an unsettling thought lingered as dawn slowly broke over the canyon walls. I think it knows I'm lost.
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Morning arrived with a faint, muted sunlight filtering through heavy layers of oak leaves, barely illuminating the campsite. I sat up, groggy, trying to shake off the fatigue from the night's unrest. Checking my GPS again only deepened my unease. The device showed a distorted screen, the arrow spinning slowly, unable to lock onto any reliable coordinates.
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My compass was no better, trembling unsteadily in my palm. Frustration crept into my thoughts. I rarely got lost, and certainly not this thoroughly. Determined, I packed up quickly and started back up the slope, certain I could retrace my steps to the main trail. But nothing looked familiar. Each hill and gully seemed interchangeable, repeating endlessly in every direction.
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I felt my pulse quicken as the morning wore on, my sense of direction increasingly uncertain. Midway through the morning I came across a single cairn, but this one was different, toppled, scattered deliberately. Nearby, in the soft soil, were fresh tracks. Leaning down, I examined them closely. The prints resembled a human foot, elongated, with oddly spread toes pressed deeply into the ground.
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A chill crawled up my spine. I scanned the trees cautiously, scanning slowly in all directions. There was nothing visible, yet the sensation of being watched was impossible to ignore. By noon, desperation set in. My water supply dwindled rapidly, forcing me to find a stream or spring soon.
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But Tyler didn't smile. He poked at the fire with a stick, causing embers to swirl upward. Just figured you guys should know. I glanced at Rachel. Her eyes had gone wide, reflecting firelight as she stared silently into the trees. Darkness settled fully, bringing with it a dense, oppressive silence, broken only by the occasional crackle of firewood.
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I stumbled down an overgrown hillside, leaves and branches scratching my face and arms, until I found a narrow stream. Relief flooded me, momentarily pushing aside the growing dread. But when I tried to fill my filter, it clogged immediately. The water was clouded with fine, muddy silt, unusable. Panic gnawed at my composure. Hunger and thirst weakened my limbs, clouding my thoughts.
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I knew dehydration could quickly become deadly, especially in terrain this rugged and isolated. just when i thought things couldn't get worse i stumbled into something that made my stomach twist a crude makeshift shelter constructed from twisted branches and piled pine boughs i approached carefully my heartbeat quickening inside the shelter i found a torn faded daypack
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Hesitantly, I reached inside and retrieved a slab of bark etched with shaky, desperate writing. No trail leads out. It follows in silence. My hands shook as I dropped the bark. I stepped back quickly, nearly losing my balance, breathing heavily. No birds sang overhead, and no insects buzzed nearby. The silence felt tangible, heavy, oppressive.
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For the rest of the afternoon, I struggled forward, marking trees with my knife to track my path. Yet, after hours of wandering, I returned to the same shelter, my own marks mysteriously missing or erased entirely. Exhausted, I shouted into the still air, "'Is anyone there?' My voice echoed sharply off the canyon walls, repeating mockingly.
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As darkness crept back into the canyon, I had no choice but to set up a hasty, uneasy camp again, this time beneath a towering, gnarled oak. Every nerve in my body urged me to flee." But I had nowhere left to go. Nightfall arrived swiftly, plunging everything around me into inky darkness. I tried to sleep but jolted awake frequently, convinced something shuffled quietly near my tent.
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My GoPro was still recording, its tiny red light blinking insistently. Barely able to breathe, I whispered hoarsely into the camera, capturing my mounting dread. It's been watching me. I'm not imagining this. Pausing, I strained to listen closely, and at first, there was nothing.
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Then suddenly, from somewhere deeper in the canyon, I heard a voice, faint but familiar, speaking words that froze the blood in my veins. It's been watching me, I'm not imagining this. It was my own voice repeating my words precisely, drifting hauntingly from the darkness. My heart hammered uncontrollably as I huddled tightly in my tent, gripping the camera until my knuckles ached.
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I knew, in a profound, chilling instant, I wasn't alone. And whatever was out there had no intention of letting me leave this canyon alive. My memory fragments at this point. Hunger and dehydration blurred reality, making every shadow shift and every sound resonate ominously. I was beyond exhausted, nerves frayed and raw.
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The footage I'm about to describe is what rescuers and investigators pieced together afterward, because I hardly recall recording it. The GoPro footage captured me standing near a cluster of moss-covered rocks beside a sluggish muddy creek. I watched this later, horrified by my own hollow eyes and sunken cheeks. Dirt streaked my face and clothes. My breathing came in uneven, shallow bursts.
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On the screen I spoke urgently, desperation and exhaustion evident in every word. I've been circling for hours, I said, voice trembling. It's keeping me here. Every path leads back to the same place. Every mark I make disappears. Then something captured my attention, pulling my gaze suddenly upward. The camera swung around as I scanned the dense foliage, eyes wide and searching. Who's there?
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I felt strangely exposed sitting in that clearing, ringed by trees whose trunks vanished into endless shadow. Just before we turned in, the whistles came again, clearer this time, cutting through the night air like sharp blades. Jess tensed, sitting up rigidly. Okay, seriously, that's closer, isn't it? Her voice held an edge of unease.
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I shouted, voice cracking with panic. Only silence responded, heavy and oppressive. Suddenly in the distance, a faint yell echoed, a voice indistinguishable from my own. It cried for help, then abruptly shifted into sobbing. My knees nearly gave out. The fear was primal, overwhelming. No, I whispered, shaking my head violently. That isn't me. It can't be.
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But the voice continued, desperate and pleading, floating through the canyon like a twisted reflection of my own terror. The camera shook as I broke into a run, crashing blindly through the underbrush, desperate to escape the echoing cries. Moments later, stumbling and gasping, I dropped to the ground near a clearing.
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I spoke directly into the camera, my voice barely audible above my ragged breathing. This might be the last recording, I said, glancing nervously over my shoulder. If someone finds this, don't follow the cairns. Don't trust your eyes. It's mimicking me. It wants me trapped here. I'm leaving the camera here. Maybe someone will find it. Maybe someone can avoid whatever this is.
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I wedged the GoPro firmly into the crook of a tree branch, pointing it toward the narrow path, a desperate final attempt at communicating what had happened. I lingered for a moment, hesitation clear on my face before finally staggering out of view. The rescuers recovered my footage weeks later, precisely where I had left it.
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They scoured the canyon, tracking dogs sniffing fruitlessly along steep ridges and deep gullies. But no sign of me emerged. No footprints beyond my camera, no clothing scraps, nothing. I had vanished completely. Then came the last piece of footage. The timestamp flashed 36 hours after my last known appearance, long after any rational chance of my survival.
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The camera had activated again, triggered by some subtle motion or sound. The clip was brief, less than a minute. Darkness enveloped the trees, the image barely visible in the faint moonlight. For several seconds, nothing moved. Then a shadow shifted subtly among the trees, silent and indistinct.
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The breathing began, a low, rasping exhale so close to the microphone it made my skin crawl when I saw it later. Just before the video ended, the same voice, almost identical to mine but colder, emptier, spoke clearly. You're next.
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Those words still echo endlessly in my mind, a chilling reminder that something still lurks out there, in that nameless canyon along the Devil's Backbone Trail, waiting patiently in silence. I took the seasonal forestry job in New Hampshire mostly because I needed isolation, a break from crowded city streets and fluorescent lit office cubicles.
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After years managing digital records for a small company in Boston, the silence and solitude promised by the White Mountain National Forest seemed like salvation. My name is Derek Madsen, and for the next six months, I was tasked with basic maintenance, clearing debris, maintaining trail signage, and monitoring visitor safety. The ranger outpost I'd been assigned to, cabin 11,
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Tyler stood slowly, flashlights sweeping over the edges of the camp. The beam illuminated nothing but empty forest. Rachel whispered, I don't think anyone else is out here. Jess grabbed her audio recorder, determined to capture evidence, walking hesitantly toward the trees at the edge of camp. We watched her slender figure blend into darkness, illuminated only by her dim flashlight beam.
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sat deep in the Great Gulf Wilderness, a remote corner overshadowed by Mount Washington's rugged peak. The first day started with a grueling six-mile hike, lugging heavy gear along a winding, overgrown trail. Sweat coated my neck, soaking into the collar of my flannel shirt.
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By the time I spotted the cabin nestled amid dense spruce trees, the afternoon was already fading toward dusk, painting the surrounding peaks with streaks of orange and purple.
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i opened the creaky wooden door setting down my backpack and immediately smelling old cedar damp fabric and decades of disuse sparse furnishings a battered cot a simple wooden desk shelves stocked with canned beans and coffee tins from previous rangers
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dust drifted lazily in the waning sunlight on the desk lay a thick leather-bound logbook curious i flipped through yellowed pages noting dates and signatures stretching back nearly two decades most entries were mundane patrolled trail removed fallen branches clear weather But as I turned deeper, a strange repetition caught my attention. Cabin 27, inspection overdue. Cabin 27, lantern out.
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Cabin 27, C-claw damage on interior beam. These entries repeated themselves over and over in different handwriting, going back years, sometimes months apart. My brow furrowed. I pulled out the official Forest Service binder, flipping hurriedly through laminated maps and neatly printed cabin inventories.
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It was late afternoon when we finally reached Mulberry Mountain, far beyond the well-worn paths of Ozark National Forest. Tyler had insisted on leading us deep into the backcountry, promising solitude away from the usual weekend campers. The five of us, me, Tyler, Rachel, Marcus, and Jess, set up camp in a small clearing ringed by dense stands of white oak and hickory.
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No mention of Cabin 27 appeared anywhere, not even as a ruin, not as a historical site, nothing. I shook my head and radioed the nearest ranger station, a crackling static voice responding after a few tries. Hey, can someone confirm something for me? I asked, trying to sound casual. Is there supposed to be a Cabin 27 somewhere in Great Gulf? Silence lingered on the line a bit too long.
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When the voice returned it was cautious, almost hesitant. Negative. No Cabin 27 listed. Probably an old logging camp or something. Best to ignore it. I thanked the ranger and hung up the radio, but his response left a strange unease gnawing at my gut.
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if it was an error why had it persisted across so many log entries over so many years i cooked a simple meal of beans and toast on the propane stove as darkness descended outside trees rustled in the breeze branches occasionally scraping against the roof I tried to put the odd log entries from my mind, chalking it up to bureaucratic oversight and boredom from previous rangers.
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After dinner, I readied myself for sleep, stretching out on the narrow cot, exhaustion heavy in my limbs. Sleep came uneasily, dreams scattered with visions of shadowy cabins buried deep in twisted forest trails. I woke suddenly around midnight, unsure what had startled me. Listening closely, heart quickening, I heard nothing at first but the faint wind and distant trickle of a stream.
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Then came three distinct knocks on the front door, slow deliberate taps, evenly spaced. My chest tightened, muscles stiffening. i rose from the cot quietly grabbing the flashlight from the desk and inching toward the door for a long moment i stood there breath shallow waiting silence gathering courage i swung the door open flashlight beam slicing through the inky blackness
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Nothing greeted me except darkness and the trees. But as I lowered my beam to the ground, a chill spread across my shoulders. There, clear as day, stamped into the soft, damp earth at the edge of the porch, was a single wet bootprint. And it wasn't mine. Morning came slow, breaking gray and heavy over the great gulf wilderness.
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I hadn't slept since the knocking, haunted by the image of that wet bootprint just outside my door. I ate breakfast mechanically, stale bread and cold coffee, my thoughts cycling back relentlessly to the strange logbook entries and that disembodied tapping. A restless energy crawled through my limbs. I needed answers, something to settle my mind.
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She paused several yards out, holding her recorder aloft. Silence returned for a moment, the forest seeming to hold its breath. Then, clearly and distinctly from somewhere right behind Jess, came two short, piercing whistles. She whirled around, flashlight jerking wildly through shadows, voice cracking with panic. Who's there? Tyler and I sprinted over, flashlights slicing through the gloom.
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By mid-morning, maps and notes spread across the cabin desk. I pieced together clues from the cryptic log entries.
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above the river split ridge near blighted hemlocks i cross-referenced these hints obsessively with my official topographic charts finally an isolated unmapped area near chandler brook trail revealed itself a dense patch of wilderness closed off years ago after a massive rock slide it wasn't far a short drive by atv then i'd have to bushwhack the rest of the way on foot
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Before I left, I radioed again to the ranger station, offering vague details of my route, deliberately omitting my true destination. Something about yesterday's hesitation unsettled me, and the less they knew about my intentions, the better. Twenty minutes later, I parked the ATV and moved into dense underbrush, compass and map in hand.
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The forest was thick, the terrain tangled with fallen logs and grasping shrubs. every step forward was slow deliberate punctuated by snapping twigs and crunching leaf litter the air was oppressive heavy with moisture that clung stubbornly to my skin my clothes soon damp with sweat an hour passed then two the sunlight growing weak and watery beneath the dense canopy
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i began to doubt my direction double checking landmarks against the blurred photocopies in my hand eventually a rusted nail hammered into a tree caught my eye another appeared about thirty yards ahead then another they formed a crude forgotten path worn faintly into the earth A shiver ran through my spine as I followed. Deeper into the forest, I noticed something strange.
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Trees stripped clean of bark at chest height, as if something had clawed at them repeatedly, exposing raw pale wood beneath. Unease coiled tighter inside me. The claw marks from the logbook entries flashed through my mind and my pace quickened. Then, abruptly, the forest opened slightly into a small clearing. Nestled there, swallowed by decades of overgrowth, stood a dilapidated wooden structure.
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Sagging roof beams, weathered boards nearly collapsing under their own weight. Cabin 27. My pulse quickened, breath shallow in my chest as I moved cautiously closer, stepping onto the creaking porch. The door hung ajar, hinges rusted and worn. Inside, shadows pooled in every corner. The scent of rot and mold permeated the air, nearly choking me.
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My flashlight beam danced across the wooden walls, revealing deep, jagged claw marks gouged furiously into the timber. Splinters jutted outward at harsh angles, violent in their origin. Fear stirred inside me, mixing with dread and fascination. Something drew my eyes upward. Suspended from the ceiling by a rusted chain hung an ancient lantern, its glass blackened and smeared.
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Strangely, it emitted a faint, lingering warmth when my fingertips brushed against it, as though it had only recently been extinguished. A sudden wave of nausea passed over me. I lowered the flashlight beam and saw, on the floor beneath the My hands trembled slightly as I opened it, pages stiff with age. Inside were sketches, frenzied, rough, chaotic.
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Eyes staring from pages, trees twisted and dark, crude antlers sprouting from shadowy heads. Triangles and vertical slashes repeated obsessively, over and over again. It felt like peering into madness. I reached for my phone, quickly snapping photos of the notebook and claw marks. But just as I aimed for another shot, the screen flickered, dimmed, then died completely.
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We reached Jess, who stood trembling, eyes wide with disbelief. I swear to God, she whispered urgently, someone was standing right behind me. We searched the immediate area, beams casting stark shadows across empty underbrush and rough bark. There was no sign of anyone having been there at all. No footprints, no broken twigs, no disturbance of any kind. Rachel pulled Jess close, her voice shaking.
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I pressed the power button desperately, but the phone remained stubbornly dark. Glancing nervously around the cabin once more, the hair on my neck rose as I heard something faint yet distinct outside. A crunching sound, the snapping of twigs beneath weight. I stepped out, scanning rapidly with my flashlight beam. Nothing visible moved.
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But on the muddy ground, clearly outlined in the faint light, was a fresh print. It was barefoot, impossibly large, the elongated toes spaced unnaturally far apart. Panic surged through my limbs. My compass spun erratically in my palm, useless. I quickly shoved it back into my pocket, turning away from the cabin and sprinting through the undergrowth.
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Branches scraped at my face, thorns snagged my clothing, but adrenaline fueled my escape. Still, no matter how fast I moved, I heard faint footfalls paralleling my route, echoing my every step from the shadowed forest around me. It was dusk by the time I stumbled breathlessly back to cabin 11, heart hammering violently in my chest.
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Locking the door tight I barred it with a wooden chair and drew curtains tightly over windows. I lit every lantern casting jittery shadows against walls. Sleep was impossible. Outside silence grew thick and oppressive. Hours later, long after darkness settled fully around the cabin, it came again. Three slow, steady knocks, punctuating the night air like hammer blows. Then silence.
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Seconds dragged on agonizingly until a low, rasping voice hissed through the cabin window, barely above a whisper. Lanterns out. The knocks echoed in my mind long after they had ceased. I stayed motionless, frozen in the middle of cabin 11, eyes fixed on the door I'd barricaded. Every muscle in my body strained with tension, waiting for something, anything, to break through. But nothing came.
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The silence returned, pressing heavier than before. Hours dragged slowly toward dawn. As pale gray light seeped through the curtains, I cautiously stepped outside, bracing myself. The porch bore fresh gouges, deep splinters torn from the wood. The doorframe itself had cracked. The hinges warped slightly inward as if something had tried, forcefully and persistently, to enter.
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My hands trembled as I raised the radio, desperate for contact. Static crackled through the speaker, obscuring most of what I heard. I shouted urgently, This is Derek at cabin 11. Something attacked last night. I found cabin 27. It's real. I need immediate assistance. Static again. Then through the distorted haze, a voice finally responded, clipped and urgent. Leave. Now. That was enough for me.
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i hastily gathered what little i could carry a map compass flashlight and burst from the cabin pushing toward the main trail back to the ranger station each footstep crunched over twigs and leaves my breathing rapid and shallow pulse hammering relentlessly in my ears Less than half a mile down the familiar path, I halted abruptly.
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A cluster of pine trees, trunks snapped cleanly and freshly splintered, sprawled like matchsticks across the trail. This wasn't the storm's doing, nor a natural collapse. My heart sank. It would take hours to clear this barrier, hours I didn't have. Desperation forced me toward the riverbed, a more dangerous but direct route leading around the obstruction.
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Rain began falling, quickly thickening into a downpour. I moved swiftly, soaked through, slipping often on the moss-slicked rocks, the noise of rushing water masking the sound of my progress. Then I heard it again, the same three taps. Distinct, rhythmic knocks, resonating through the trees on my left. I spun, flashlight shaking in my grip, beam searching wildly among shadows and rain. Nothing.
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We should go back. Let's leave first thing tomorrow. Tyler nodded grimly. Yeah, we'll head east, catch that trail loop back toward the car. We returned to camp, subdued and wary. The fire had burned low, leaving glowing embers that cast faint, uncertain light across our anxious faces.
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Silence again, thick and oppressive. A few steps later, the taps repeated, now from behind. A cold dread climbed up my spine. Leave me alone, I shouted, my voice echoing weakly into the darkening forest. A movement across the river caught my eye, a shape, indistinct through sheets of rain, standing tall, hunched unnaturally. My throat tightened as I struggled to focus on it clearly.
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Its outline wavered, limbs too long, head tilted strangely, and then it moved, quickly, jerkily, along the opposite bank, matching my pace precisely.
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i broke into a run heedless of my footing stumbling repeatedly my knees struck rocks painfully palms scraped raw as i pushed myself upright again and again behind me footsteps heavy uneven matched mine precisely echoing wetly across the river-bed panic seized me blinding overwhelming Suddenly, exhaustion took hold. My legs folded beneath me, sending me sprawling into mud and debris.
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I clutched at my chest, gasping ragged breaths, eyes squeezed shut in desperation. The footsteps stopped abruptly nearby. I held perfectly still, terror hammering in my chest. After several endless moments, another sound reached my ears. A static hiss, faint but unmistakable. My radio.
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shaking i pulled it from my pack turning the volume dial a distorted voice barely audible through bursts of interference crackled through search and rescue do you copy derrick we have your coordinates hold tight we're coming I don't remember turning on the radio. Minutes stretched painfully, blending into one another. I didn't move.
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Eventually bright beams pierced through the rain, voices calling my name. Hands lifted me gently from the ground. Faces, blurred by exhaustion and relief, surrounded me. They carried me swiftly out of the wilderness, wrapped in blankets, my soaked body trembling violently. Hours later, at the ranger station, questions bombarded me.
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I spoke in broken sentences, describing cabin 27, the claw marks, the lantern. Someone brought my phone, fully charged, displaying no photos of the cabin, just a single blurred snapshot of muddy ground and dead leaves. They exchanged uneasy glances, disbelief coloring their faces. I knew what they thought. Exposure, panic, hallucinations brought on by isolation.
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I quit the forestry service shortly after, unable to shake the feeling of dread clinging to me. Months later, after I'd moved far from New Hampshire's mountains, a plain envelope arrived in the mail. No return address. Inside, a single photograph, grainy and shadowed, but unmistakable.
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Cabin 27, sagging under years of neglect, claw marks deeply gouged into the walls and hanging from its ceiling beam, a rusted lantern glowing faintly in the gloom. I've always found a certain comfort in the cold clarity of high elevations. It's one reason my friend Thomas and I regularly climb in Rocky Mountain National Park.
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As I crawled into my sleeping bag, I tried to push away the unsettling image of Jess frozen in fear, alone in the darkness. I lay awake, listening intently. Sometime around midnight, drifting into a restless sleep, I swore I heard it again. Two sharp whistles, drifting softly through the trees. closer than before, just beyond the boundary of our camp.
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Places like Sky Pond, nestled at nearly 11,000 feet, feel both exhilarating and detached from everyday anxieties. This particular trip had a clear goal, summit Taylor Peak via the Class 4 scramble. We'd bivouacked countless times in alpine conditions before, and this trip wasn't supposed to be any different.
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The ascent from Glacier Gorge Trailhead had gone smoothly enough, despite lingering patches of ice and snow. Tomas, a seasoned alpine guide from Boulder, always led with confidence, joking and chatting easily about future climbs. I, on the other hand, was typically quiet, ever cautious from my military training, a trait that had served me well.
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Our camp was tucked neatly into a shelf of rock, sheltered beneath the shadow of the shark's tooth, a jagged pinnacle that stabbed dramatically upward into the Colorado sky. After setting up our bivvy sacks and heating water from melting snow, we'd settled in early, the wind drumming steadily against our modest shelter.
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The sky was a crisp black, stars brittle and sharp overhead, distant and indifferent. Sleep found me quickly. I woke at dawn, stirred awake by the creeping chill that always settled around first light. I sat up slowly, tugging at the zipper on my bivy sack, and then paused, my eyes adjusting to the stark brightness of fresh morning sun reflecting off scattered patches of snow.
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A strange sight greeted me. Around our bivy area, where there had definitely been snow last night, I remembered melting it myself, there now stretched a perfect circle of bare, dry earth, about twenty feet in diameter. I climbed fully out, pulling my down jacket tighter against my chest, examining the boundary closely. The line between snow and dirt was impossibly crisp.
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No footprints, no disturbances of any kind, just dry, crumbly soil encircled precisely by frozen terrain. Hey Tomas, I called quietly, not wanting to sound panicked, but unable to keep a note of urgency from my voice. He emerged groggily from his sleeping bag, rubbing at his eyes. What's up? I gestured wordlessly. His expression slowly shifted from confusion to amusement.
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That's just Windscour, man, he finally said, chuckling softly. We get weird microclimates up here. I shook my head slightly, unconvinced. I've seen Windscour before. This isn't it. Thomas shrugged easily, already rummaging through his pack for food. Well, it's weird, sure, but nature does strange stuff. I knelt again, pressing my palm against the cold soil. It felt dry, utterly devoid of moisture.
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Curious, I took out my compass, noting immediately the needle's faint quiver, like it was hesitant about where north might be. I glanced up at Tomas. He didn't notice. He was busy boiling water and talking about which routes we should avoid because of avalanche risk. We should go for Taylor soon, Tomas suggested cheerily.
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Weather looks stable enough, I agreed absentmindedly, still studying the circle. It made my skin prickle in a way I'd experienced only rarely, that deep-seated intuition that something was subtly but profoundly wrong. Finally, I photographed it, the stark circle of dryness glaring at me from the screen of my phone. Perhaps documentation would reassure me later, somehow normalize this oddity.
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We packed quickly, eager to put distance between ourselves and the unexplained circle. The early sun shone bright but cold, a typical alpine morning where every breath crystallized in front of us. We ascended higher, navigating carefully across patches of frozen scree and scattered snowfields. The terrain was rougher here, demanding attention.
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At dawn, we packed quickly, driven by silent urgency to leave behind the tension of the previous night. The morning air felt colder, sharper, as we hiked east toward White Rock Mountain. Tyler assured us this lesser-known trail would loop us back safely to our car, but his voice carried uncertainty I hadn't heard before. By late morning, the forest thickened significantly.
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As we approached a steep ridge leading toward Taylor Peak's final scramble, something tugged at my attention. High above, silhouetted starkly against the bright sky, was a dark figure. A lone climber, maybe. But who else could be out here so early in the season? Tomas, I murmured, nudging his shoulder gently. You see that? He squinted upward, shading his eyes with a gloved hand. Where?
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I pointed directly above us to the sharp crest of the ridge, but the figure had vanished as abruptly as if it had been snatched away by wind. Tomas chuckled again, more nervously this time. "'Altitude's getting to you, Jace. Nobody else out here this early.' I nodded reluctantly. Maybe he was right. Perhaps the thin air and that bizarre circle had unsettled me more than I realized."
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We continued silently up the slope, our crampons biting reassuringly into hard packed snow. Still, even as the summit loomed closer, the image of that perfectly bare circle persisted, gnawing subtly at my thoughts. By late afternoon, the sun began dropping lower in the sky, casting elongated shadows across the mountainside.
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We made the mutual decision to return to our camp at Sky Pond for another night, to rest and prepare for an easier descent tomorrow morning. We arrived back just before dusk, fatigue pulling at my limbs. The circle was still there, unchanged, stark in its simplicity, unsettlingly precise.
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As we settled in again, zipping tightly into our bivy sacks against the biting wind, I heard Thomas mutter softly from nearby, "'Hey, Jace?' Yeah? You don't really think something's out here, right? I hesitated. I don't know, I replied honestly. Something's just off. He went silent, and soon I heard his breathing deepen. I lay awake longer, listening to the quiet hush of wind through stone.
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Just before sleep took me, I couldn't shake the feeling of eyes, unseen, unknowable, fixed steadily upon our tiny camp, waiting patiently beyond the confines of that impossible circle.
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sleep came in fits and starts that night my mind unable to fully shake the uneasy sensation brought on by the circle of bare earth every rustle of fabric from tomas every distant creak of shifting ice seemed amplified in the quiet stillness of sky pond
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some time after midnight i heard something distinct thin rhythmic clicks carried on the cold air they were faint intermittent and initially i dismissed them as natural ice-cracking or distant rockfall but something about the cadence felt deliberate I lay still, ears straining in the darkness, heart drumming softly in my chest. The clicks faded, swallowed by the whisper of wind.
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Morning came reluctantly, the sun climbing slowly above the jagged ridgeline, spilling pale light across the landscape. I pushed myself up, rubbing sleep from weary eyes, and was immediately alert again. Outside the circle's perimeter, right where the snow resumed, I saw something new. Footprints. Huge, elongated indentations in the snow, perfectly clear against the bright, untouched powder.
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Without waking Tomás, I climbed out of my bivy, carefully approaching the tracks. They were deep, clearly defined, with a broad stance, far wider than my own stride, suggesting something large and bipedal.
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they started abruptly just outside the edge of the circle as if whatever made them had materialized out of thin air the footprints continued steadily uphill so i followed them each step required an exaggerated stretch the prints sat unnaturally far apart Soon I came to a point high on an open slope where the tracks simply stopped, mid-stride. The last print was pressed firmly then. Nothing.
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The trail grew narrow, fading into patches of weeds and tangled underbrush. Occasionally we passed signs of old campsites, rotting tarps tangled in brush, fire pits scorched black. filled with leaves and debris. These weren't normal campsites. They looked abandoned hastily, left behind as if someone fled. Marcus stopped, crouching to inspect something half buried in dirt.
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No indication of turning around, no sidestepping, no evidence of a jump or climb. Just snow and emptiness. I scanned upward. No trees, no rocks, nowhere something could have logically gone. My heart thudded harder, my throat dry with growing uncertainty.
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i crouched and studied the final print more closely noting its unsettling length easily twice that of my climbing boot what are you doing thomas's voice broke through my thoughts he was standing just below hands cupped around a steaming mug Come here, take a look, I called back, trying to mask the unease in my voice. He climbed up beside me, frowning down at the prints.
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He looked back toward camp, then slowly upward, following their impossible trajectory. Okay, he admitted finally, voice quiet, cautious. That's definitely not normal. I told you, I muttered softly. Something's off here. Tomas sighed deeply, nodding slowly. Maybe someone's messing with us? "'Out here?' I countered. "'Who would hike in this deep just to leave tracks like these and disappear?
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And how did they start out of nowhere?' Neither of us had an answer. Eventually we returned silently to our bivvy site. I reached into my pack and pulled out a trail camera, compact, motion-triggered, infrared-capable.' We hadn't intended to use it for security, only wildlife photography, but now it seemed prudent. Let's set this up, I suggested.
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If something comes back tonight, maybe we'll catch it. Tomás agreed silently, though his usual good humor had noticeably diminished. Together, we secured the camera to a sturdy tripod, pointing it toward our camp, ensuring it had a clear field of view. The rest of the day passed slowly. We barely spoke, busying ourselves with menial tasks, melting snow, reorganizing gear.
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Anxiety settled in my chest. a physical pressure that wouldn't release. Worse, I'd started experiencing brief lapses in memory, forgetting where I'd set down my gloves, checking my GPS beacon only to find it inexplicably turned off. Fatigue, stress, altitude, I rationalized, but deep down I knew it was something more unsettling. Night descended again, darker and quieter than the last.
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the sky was heavy with clouds obscuring stars and moonlight alike inside my bivvy i stared into the darkness ears alert eyes straining for movement it felt like hours before thomas finally spoke again his voice barely audible "'Jason,' he whispered hoarsely. "'Let's check the camera.' We climbed out stiffly, boots crunching softly in the snow, breath misting rapidly in the freezing air.
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My pulse quickened as I opened the camera's memory card compartment and plugged it into my phone to review the images. The first set of images was normal enough, us setting up camp, boiling water, chatting quietly." My finger swiped rapidly forward, dread building in my gut. I froze abruptly. The timestamp read 3.12 a.m.
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The image showed Thomas and me clearly asleep inside our bivy sacks, taken from perhaps five feet above, angled downward. I glanced sharply at the tripod. It hadn't moved. The angle of the shot was wrong, impossible.
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it couldn't have taken that picture it hadn't been triggered hadn't shifted thomas my voice shook slightly look at this he peered closer expression tightening with concern how he murmured not finishing the question I clicked further into the memory card. A second folder appeared, one we hadn't created. My hand trembled as I tapped it open. Images loaded slowly, thumbnails flickering ominously.
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They revealed photos taken before we arrived at Sky Pond. Empty landscapes at first, then increasingly images of our campsite. Not our current setup, but the exact spot we chose, photographed repeatedly from multiple angles. Empty snow, empty rock, as if something had anticipated precisely where we'd bivouac. Neither of us spoke. Tomas looked shaken, eyes wide with apprehension.
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He lifted a rusted pocket knife, Its handle warped and melted, as if exposed to tremendous heat. He turned it slowly in his fingers, frowning deeply. What would make something like this? Marcus asked, his voice tight. Tyler didn't answer. He glanced down at his map, brows furrowed, eyes shifting uneasily across the forest.
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"'We have to get out of here,' I whispered urgently. He nodded slowly, deeply. "'First thing tomorrow. We're leaving.' We returned silently to our bivvies, though sleep was impossible."
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i lay awake eyes straining at the featureless dark gripping my small knife in numb fingers the clicks returned some time later more distinct now echoing softly from above sharp purposeful they continued long after dawn approached fading only when the gray light of another cold morning spilled over the basin illuminating clearly the circle in the snow a stark reminder that something unseen was watching us closely
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we packed our gear hastily at dawn tension tightening every movement the air was colder clouds heavy and gray promising snow thomas and i exchanged few words each of us silently preparing for a quick descent toward the lock and ultimately back to the relative safety of glacier gorge trailhead
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I couldn't shake the feeling of being watched, a subtle pressure at the edge of perception, something just beyond sight but undeniably real. The image from the trail cam haunted me, our sleeping forms captured by some unseen vantage point, the impossibility of it all. The trail down was slick and treacherous, patches of ice hiding beneath fresh powder.
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Visibility worsened as fog drifted down from the peaks, thickening steadily until the landscape blurred into vague shapes and shadows. We paused briefly, checking our GPS beacons and maps, ensuring we hadn't strayed from the route. As we descended past Timberline Falls, Tomas's boot slipped abruptly.
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He dropped heavily onto the ice-covered rock, a sharp cry breaking from his lips as his leg twisted awkwardly beneath him. Thomas, I called urgently, rushing to him. His face was pale, pain etched deeply into his features. His leg was twisted at an unnatural angle. He clenched his jaw, eyes watering. My ankle, he groaned, breathing hard. It's bad, Jason.
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I quickly activated the Garmin SOS beacon clipped to my pack, the blinking red light reassuring despite the chill of dread. Help will be here soon, I promised, forcing calm into my voice. But we both knew rescue at this elevation could take hours. Gently, I wrapped him in an emergency blanket, propping him against a rock ledge to shield him from the biting wind. You stay here, I said firmly.
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I'll find a better signal and see if I can spot any landmarks for Saar. Tomas nodded weakly, eyes half closed in pain. Don't go far, he warned softly, more pleading than authoritative. I scrambled uphill slightly, looking for clearer terrain. Fog hung thickly, making navigation difficult. My feet crunched softly through frozen moss and snow, until suddenly, the ground beneath my boots changed.
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I stopped, my breath catching sharply. Another circle, just like the first, but this one was different. It wasn't just bare earth. The ground within the circle was scorched black, the moss and pine needles charred and brittle, radiating outward with perfect, unsettling symmetry. The snow surrounding it was melted cleanly away, revealing a ring of exposed, burned soil.
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The smell was acrid, lingering thickly in the cold air. My pulse quickened. I snapped a few photos quickly, driven by a nervous urgency to document this new discovery. What could cause something like this? Lightning wouldn't produce such geometric precision, and the burns seemed inexplicably recent. Fresh, yet without heat. Just wrong. I retreated hastily toward Tomás, dread pushing at my chest.
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Rachel moved close to Jess, whispering something reassuring but unconvincing. The woods around us had grown silent, absent the usual rustling leaves or birdsong. We set camp early, uneasy fatigue draining the strength from our limbs. Tyler placed trail cams around our perimeter, small electronic eyes watching silently from sturdy trees.
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As I reached him, I found him drifting in and out of consciousness, his head slumped forward. Tomás! I shouted urgently, gripping his shoulder. He stirred slightly, groaning softly in response. Time dragged painfully slowly. Every few minutes I checked the Garmin, reassuring myself that our distress signal was broadcasting.
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The fog continued thickening, isolating us further from the familiar landscape. i stood straining my eyes into the opaque whiteness that's when i saw it at the edge of the tree-line above us just visible through the shifting fog a figure stood motionless my heart stopped cold it was tall unnaturally so limbs elongated and disproportionate
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Not human, but something trying to appear human and failing. I froze completely, scarcely breathing. The figure remained utterly still, half hidden behind the trunks of lodgepole pines. Slowly I reached into my jacket pocket and withdrew my phone, my hands trembling as I aimed it upward. The shutter clicked softly. The figure was gone when I glanced up again, nothing but fog and empty trees.
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A distant hum slowly broke through my panic, the unmistakable sound of an approaching helicopter. Relief flooded my veins as I signaled frantically. Within moments, the helicopter hovered briefly, a rescue team descending rapidly via ropes, shouting commands muffled by the rotor wash.
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tomas was swiftly secured into a stretcher lifted carefully up toward safety a ranger called out to me offering to haul me out as well but stubborn pride and perhaps an irrational need to remain alert made me shake my head i'll hike down i shouted barely audible above the helicopter noise The ranger hesitated but finally nodded, ascending after Tomas.
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The helicopter vanished quickly, leaving me alone. Adrenaline faded rapidly, exhaustion weighing heavily now. I trudged downhill, ears tuned sharply to every sound, eyes flickering toward every shadow. By the time I reached the ranger station at the trailhead, nightfall had settled fully, deepening the quiet of the empty building. A ranger greeted me, his face lined with concern.
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I showed him the photo from the trail cam and recounted the strange circles, the tracks, and finally, reluctantly, the figure I'd glimpsed. His expression shifted noticeably. "'You're not the first,' he said quietly, averting his eyes." What do you mean? I pressed urgently. He hesitated, shook his head softly. Just forget it. Some things out here, we don't talk about. Go home. Be glad you made it.
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Back in Boulder a few days later, safely distant from the mountains and their cold mysteries, I reviewed the photos I'd taken. At first glance, they appeared ordinary. Landscapes, trees, snow. But one image stopped me cold. The one I'd snapped at the treeline above Thomas. Zooming carefully, my blood ran cold. There, partially obscured behind the lodgepole pine, stood the tall, blurred figure.
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Its limbs were distorted, elongated, subtly wrong. It stood perfectly still, undeniably present. My breath shook slightly. Quickly, I attached the image to an email, intending to send it to the ranger station. But as soon as I clicked send, my laptop screen flickered sharply and went black. The computer rebooted itself, the message and photo nowhere to be found.
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Jess set her phone to record audio, leaving it propped carefully near her tent. as dusk approached the familiar feeling of dread crept over us again stronger now we spoke less each locked in our own private thoughts glancing frequently at the encroaching darkness then as if summoned by the fading daylight the whistles returned Two sharp notes, clear and precise, echoed around the clearing.
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Frantically, I searched through my phone, but the image had vanished, leaving no trace. Yet sometimes, late at night, my phone will flicker oddly. Just briefly the screen flashes the image, too quick to capture, too fleeting to confirm, but unmistakably clear. The blurred figure in the trees, watching silently from behind the pines at the edge of Sky Pond.
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It sounded closer, more deliberate, like someone or something was observing us carefully, hidden in the dense foliage. The whistles repeated, methodically bouncing from one side of our campsite to the other, circling us. My pulse quickened. The air felt suddenly thick, oppressive. Marcus cursed under his breath, eyes darting from shadow to shadow. Who's out there?
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Tyler shouted, desperation edging into his voice. The forest answered only with another sharp whistle, directly ahead, tauntingly close, yet invisible. Jess pressed her back against a tree, face pale. Rachel clutched her arm, staring anxiously into the darkness. We need to check the cameras, Tyler said firmly. Marcus hesitated briefly but nodded, and together we approached the nearest tree cam.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
The trees pressed close, their leafy canopy filtering sunlight into muted streaks across the forest floor. as we pitched our tents marcus joked about bears and mountain lions but rachel's eyes flickered nervously toward the shadowy woods i smiled reassuringly telling her it was all part of the adventure still an odd tension hung in the air the kind you only notice in hindsight
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
I watched as Tyler reached for the strap and found nothing but a dangling piece of fabric. The camera had been removed cleanly, the mount undamaged, the device itself nowhere in sight. A chill ran through me as we moved quickly around camp, checking every tree. Each camera was gone, meticulously removed. It felt intentional, calculated. Jess, hands shaking, retrieved her phone.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
I recorded something earlier. Maybe it caught whoever took them. We crowded around her as she pressed play. At first, silence. Then two short whistles, startlingly loud. But that wasn't all. Just behind the whistles, something else emerged, barely audible beneath the static. Jess raised the volume and we leaned closer. A voice whispered hurriedly, desperate and strained. "'Don't move.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
It sees sound.' Rachel gasped, stepping back. Marcus stared wide-eyed at Jess's trembling hand gripping the phone. Tyler lowered his voice, barely audible. "'Dunhollow,' he muttered. "'We must be close.' "'What's Dunhollow?' Marcus demanded sharply." Tyler hesitated, then continued grimly. Loggers disappeared here a century ago.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Locals said something hunted them, something that could mimic sounds, voices, animals, even whistles. They called it Cursed Land. Nobody came here after that. You knew? Rachel whispered accusingly. I didn't think it was real, Tyler replied weakly. A deafening silence enveloped us, oppressive, smothering. My heart thudded loudly. I glanced at Marcus, his face twisted with fear and anger.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Then, without warning, multiple whistles erupted from all directions. A chilling chorus filling the dark woods, surrounding and closing in. Marcus bolted, flashlight bobbing wildly as he plunged into darkness. Tyler shouted after him, but his cries were drowned by the unsettling layered whistles. Minutes passed, long, agonizing minutes, before Tyler and I dared venture out to find Marcus.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
We followed the narrow beam of his flashlight lying abandoned on the ground. We searched frantically, calling his name, our voices swallowed instantly by the thick, stifling forest. Then Rachel pointed upward, a trembling finger aimed high into the branches. Twelve feet above us, caught tightly between the rough bark of an oak tree, fluttered a torn piece of Marcus's jacket.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
My stomach dropped, dread flooding through me. "'He couldn't have climbed that,' Jess whispered hoarsely." Tyler took a slow, shaking breath, his eyes fixed on the torn fabric. No, he couldn't. We retreated to our tents without speaking, zipping them shut tightly, as the whistles echoed once more through the darkness, closer now, purposeful and persistent.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Marcus was gone, and we all understood instinctively he wasn't coming back. Sleep didn't come. I lay awake, listening intently to every sound. Jess was curled beside Rachel, her breath shallow, eyes wide open, staring blankly at the fabric ceiling. Tyler sat motionless, periodically checking the tent zipper as if to ensure it hadn't moved.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Marcus's absence hung over us like a heavy weight, suffocating, impossible to ignore. At dawn we emerged exhausted and silent, quickly packing our gear. Tyler checked his GPS again, but frowned, turning the device over in his palm. The screen flickered erratically, coordinates jumping without logic. Something's wrong with this, he muttered, frustration tight in his voice. It's useless.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Rachel glanced nervously around, hands clenched at her sides. We should just retrace our steps, go back the way we came. Tyler nodded, though doubt darkened his face. We set off, hiking faster than the day before, driven by urgency, glancing backward constantly. But after hours of walking, nothing looked familiar. Hills rose abruptly where none had existed before.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
By the time we'd gathered around the campfire, the sky had turned a deep orange, the sun dipping behind distant ridges. Jess pulled out her phone, snapping photos of our silhouettes against the fading light. That's when we first heard it. Two sharp whistles echoed faintly from the trees, crisp and clear, like someone calling their dog back home. Tyler raised an eyebrow, glancing around the circle.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Streams ran in directions that contradicted the map. The forest itself felt distorted. The landscape twisted out of alignment. At midday, Jess began to hum quietly. At first none of us noticed. But soon I realized what she was humming. Two short tones. The whistle we'd heard every night. My stomach tightened painfully. "'Jess!' I snapped, louder than intended.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
She jumped startled, eyes glassy and distant." What? she whispered hoarsely. You were humming the whistle, Rachel said softly, voice trembling. Jess paled, her hand rising to her mouth in horror. I didn't even realize. Her voice trailed off into silence. Keep moving, Tyler urged, gripping his pack straps tight, eyes fixed straight ahead.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Within minutes, Ben stopped abruptly, his eyes wide, head tilted slightly as if straining to hear something distant. "'What is it?' I asked warily. Ben's eyes filled suddenly with tears, his voice barely audible. "'I hear my mom calling me. She's close.' Rachel's expression twisted in pain. Ben's mother had died three years earlier. "'Ben, listen. It can't be her.'
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
But he shook his head urgently, eyes darting through the trees. "'I know her voice. She's right here, just ahead.' Before we could stop him, Ben bolted into the dense foliage, ignoring our frantic calls. Rachel sobbed openly as we chased after him, tripping over roots, scratching our faces on branches. But he vanished completely, leaving nothing behind but an oppressive silence.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Exhausted, desperate, we pushed on, barely speaking. Late in the afternoon we stumbled upon a clearing. Rising from the tangled underbrush was an old fire lookout tower, rusted and leaning precariously. Relief surged briefly through me. Maybe we could finally get our bearings. As we approached, we saw deep gouges covering the metal supports. Claw marks gouged deeply into the rusted steel beams.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
My skin prickled uneasily, my pulse quickening. Tyler climbed quickly, ignoring the groans of the aged structure. Jess, Rachel, and I followed carefully, the tower swaying slightly beneath our feet. At the top, we crowded into the cramped observation room. Dusty glass windows overlooked the sprawling forest, endless and indistinguishable in every direction.
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4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
In a battered cabinet, Rachel found a leather-bound Ranger logbook. She flipped anxiously through yellowed pages, her face draining of color as she reached the last entry. Dated August 15th, 1994. Her voice shook as she read aloud. Two-tone whistle heard again, third hiker gone, ordered to evacuate. We're not alone in this forest.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
cold dread seeped into my bones jess pressed her forehead against the window-glass breathing raggedly the sun had begun to dip below the horizon casting a sickly amber glow across the endless trees then it came again-the whistles not one but dozens high-pitched and low echoing simultaneously surrounding the tower The sound rose into a chorus, unbearably loud, mocking, relentless.
Just Creepy: Scary Stories
4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Mixed into the whistles, I heard a familiar voice, Tyler's voice, calling for help from somewhere deep in the woods below. We turned sharply toward Tyler. His face was pale, lips trembling. "'That's not me,' he whispered, shaking his head. The whistling intensified, nearly deafening, resonating through the tower structure." Tyler grabbed Rachel's shoulders firmly, staring directly into her eyes.
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4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
Anyone else hear that? Marcus shrugged. Probably another group of campers nearby. Jess leaned forward, smirking. Two quick whistles, right? Maybe it's Morse code. Dot, dot. They're trying to tell us something important, like they're out of marshmallows. We laughed, but Rachel stayed quiet, eyes fixed uneasily on the darkening woods.
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4 Creepy True Deep in the Woods Horror Stories
You have to run, he said forcefully. Go east, downhill, don't stop, don't look back. I'll distract it. Rachel shook her head fiercely, eyes streaming with tears. Tyler's voice was firm, unyielding. Now. Before any of us could object, Tyler grabbed a flare from his pack, igniting it in a blaze of red. He moved quickly, tossing it into the wooden debris piled at the base of the tower.
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Flames erupted swiftly, roaring upward, heat washing over us instantly. "'Go!' Tyler shouted again, voice lost amid the flames and echoes of whistles. Rachel and Jess fled first, scrambling down the ladder. I followed rapidly, glancing upward just long enough to see Tyler silhouetted against the glowing sky, holding another flare defiantly. At the base, smoke thickened rapidly." choking the air.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
One of those looks like one, talks like one, thinks like one type of chicks. What does that mean? Um, like she, you know, she's on testosterone. She, you know, kind of, she's a woman who thinks and acts and looks like a dude.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
But your wife, your wife is with her now? Um, no. So when I found out it was pretty much like, um, they were kind of seem like they're breaking up, like they're ending their relationship. Um, part of my coworker feeling guilt and, um, Forget your co-worker for a second.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Yeah, I mean, she also was feeling guilt about it, but she seemed like she was pretty emotionally involved with this person for everything that I saw with them.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
It kind of was unseen and kind of just blew up. Yeah, it's been going on for three months and just found out a couple weeks ago.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Well, yeah, so the reason my call is, I guess, how do I, you know, do I, Tell my supervisor at work, how do I confront this other person or tell her I know? How do I talk to family and get insight from them? How can I give my wife a second chance knowing that within a year of us being married that she's already been lying and cheating on me? How else has she lied in this first year?
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Well, throughout other discoveries, I found out about all this because I went through her phone. Um, one night and I found out that, um, there's like certain red flags and stuff. Um, other stuff would be, um, she would go, she went places that she didn't tell me. She'd say she's doing one thing and went, um, other places. But I mean, for the most part, this was like a big, big lie.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Um, other things would be like turning off her location. I couldn't see like where she's gone. Kind of a little like deceitful. acts like that.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
yeah, she was spending money like crazy. She was spending, she was sending money to people telling it was to family members when she was really buying other stuff with it.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Yeah. You know, she's obviously right now going through a whole apologetic phase. um, you know, she did mention she kept in touch. She stays in touch with her ex husband and, who cheated on her, ironically. And she says that, you know, through the text that I saw, that she wants to talk to him about divorce, but mainly because, like, I want kids.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
And recently she said that she doesn't want to have kids. And she's questioning her, you know, she brought up that she's bisexual recently. And she's kind of, she told me that she was giving me signs. and all this, but.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
So you don't think there's a, the second, the second chance of just really giving her like she, if she admitted she screwed up and that, It was a one-time thing due to me not giving her the affection and attention that this other person slightly gave to her.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
We've been together for four years and married for about 14 months. Did she cheat on you while you were dating? No. No. No, but I mean, the only crush that she really has against me or that she uses against me that kind of said that she lost trust in me and all that was while we were engaged. And I was going to school. There was a girl in my class that was strictly only professional.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
We never communicated outside. And the only thing I ever did was it was kind of a rough patch in our relationship. relationship and she was drunk all the time and I was kind of fed up with everything that was going on. And, um, all I did was look up, I typed in this, uh, other person's name in social media. I saw that her, uh, account was private and that's all it was. I let it friend request her.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
My wife and I, we've been married for about a year and a half. She's been having a physical and emotional affair with one of my coworkers. And my coworker happens to also be a lesbian.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
I didn't message her. I just left it at that. And then that night she went through my phone and saw that I was, I guess, curious about this other person I was in class with.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Yeah. But I mean, I guess, I mean, seeing this person now, I mean, we don't directly work, but it would be through either passing or on jobs or, you know, at work.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
I'm not sure. I mean, it'll probably, I mean, it'll be like really...
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Wife Had an Affair With Another Woman
Uh, so yeah, my wife and I, we've been married for, uh, About a year and a half. And just around our anniversary time, well, two weeks ago I found out, but I found out that around our anniversary time, our one-year mark, that she's been having a physical and emotional affair with one of my coworkers. And my coworker happens to also be a lesbian.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
What percentage were they testing for it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Quite a while ago. He fought Adesanya, I want to say, five years ago. When did he fight Israel? And I think maybe he had one other fight other than that. But he was knocking guys dead at 40. Dude, the Costa.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Like, how many times is USADA going to Dagestan? Yeah. And what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those bearded dudes? Yeah. Imagine telling those guys, wake up at 6 o'clock in the morning.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Fuck you. Yeah. No, it's... Also, they probably know when you're there. Yeah.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, do you camp in Thailand, son? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. You got to wonder, like, I would like to see, like, what are what's the data on people that do their camp in Thailand? How often are they tested versus a guy who's got a camp in Iowa?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Wow. Because you're a pharmacological nerd. Yeah.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, especially something like the Olympics. There's no money in it. You're not making any money. Which is crazy, yeah. Crazy. It's like pure pride for winning a medal. It's pure exploitation. That's what it is. Because it's not like there's no money. Like, why are you making all the money? Well, these people are noble. They don't want to get paid. Like, no, you're just not paying them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They don't even know how much money there was. Because in 1936, there was no money, right? There was no sponsors. There was no nothing. Yeah, I remember.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Okay, the bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major international sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method. A violator is subject to criminal penalties, a fine, prison term of up to 10 years, or both, and mandatory restitution.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
What do you think is the answer? What's like like the non ideological when you look at it objectively? So, you know what? What we should be doing is doing everything that works or what we should be doing is have the most insane testing that everybody has to be 100 percent natural. No ifs, ands or buts. And there's no cheating.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So that was his last fight in the UFC. So the last four years, he's been competing for Bellator. And so they're a little less stringent. They don't have a USADA deal or now whatever it's called, Drug Free Sport, I think they call it now. That's the new company. Which is essentially the same protocols, but they don't wake you up on the day of the weigh-ins or anything like that. USADA was gross.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So yeah. If you can get a physiological benefit of being on trend and just fucking completely roided out of your mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, especially if you're trying to win, right? If people are willing to cheat when it's really dangerous, you could lose the medal and you can get outed and publicly shamed like Ben Johnson. Or you don't have to worry about that because they're allowing you to, but they would like you to take like a sustainable dose. And you're like, fuck you with your sustainable.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
That's what's crazy, right? Bodybuilding is a huge sport. It's not possible without illegal drugs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, how do they get away with it since it's completely illegal? Well – I mean like obviously you're going to jail. If I'm a guy who's arresting people who are on steroids, I go to Mr. Olympia. I'm like, you're all in jail. Yeah. Right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
All of you, get in the fucking car. Get in the paddy wagon. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So he might be a steroid dealer. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They would take these guys that are dehydrated, starving themselves, day before the fight, wake them up at 6 o'clock in the morning.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. Do guys go to Mexico and bring them across the border? Not anymore. No, they used to? No. Oh, yeah, back in the day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Jesus Christ. Imagine taking Trent that was in a guy's asshole.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
What if the bottle broke? It's fucking... Yikes. Butthole glass cuts, buddy. I watched that in a video. It's called One Guy, One Cup. Oh, yeah? You ever seen that one?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
One Guy, One Cup is way more horrifying. Really? This guy sticks a mason jar up his asshole and it breaks. I think it's a mason jar. Some kind of a jar up his asshole, and it breaks, and it's just chunks of broken glass and blood fall onto the ground as he squats. It's horrible. But I watched it multiple times. Goddamn. There's a lot of crazy people in this world. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Do you think that... I'm of the opinion. Let me just say what I think. I think that... most substances should be legal. And I think people should be able to figure out what's good and what's bad. There's a lot of things that are legal. Adderall's legal. I don't take Adderall. I'm 99% sure I have ADHD. I don't even know what it is. I don't even know if it's real. I think it's probably a superpower.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But if I went to a doctor and I was complaining about I can't focus on any one thing, I'm all over the place, they'd probably give me some. And that would have legal stimulants. I don't think, probably think it's not good for you, so I don't take it. But I could, right? Why is that legal and cocaine's not? Like, why is this legal and that's not? Why is whiskey legal and marijuana's not?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
This doesn't make any sense to me. Why is Xanax legal, psilocybin's not? Like, what are we doing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
What how did you hear that? He was using that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They probably didn't test for it, though, either, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Wow. So why is that one good for fighters? I would think that like getting super emotional though.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
There's another factor that comes with steroid users, and that's the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Because once they get off steroids and they don't feel like Superman anymore, they get real weirded out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And they want to get back on again. I've seen that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
That guy, he's a unique cat. He's lost all the weight, looks like a normal athlete now. He's healthy.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, very calm and just the way he approaches things. But God damn, dude, when that guy was getting after it, he was one of the original freaks. Yeah. One of the first guys where you're just like, what? That's what they're pushing it to now? Yeah, he left humanity behind. He was so big. Dude, he was so big. He was ridiculous.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
If you think about what he looked like versus what Arnold looked like just a couple of decades earlier. Night and day.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I mean, he was so big he blew his bicep out and competed in one with a torn bicep.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, Ronnie Coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that. Like that guy's all fucked up now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Arnold on the left and Dorian on the right. Dorian's twice his size. Yeah. His fucking back, dude, that's crazy. That back is insane. Not that Arnold isn't insane. He was pretty insane. I actually think Arnold looks better.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, look at his back. Look at Dorian Yates' back. Look at Ronnie Coleman's back. Yeah. Jeez, these guys were huge. Ronnie Coleman was crazy, but Dorian was, like, weirdly thick. Like, look how thick his fucking muscles are, man. First of all, judging guys that are that big, good luck. I don't get it. They all look awesome. They all look crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
What is the bikini versus regular Olympia?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
What's the bikini category versus the regular Miss Olympia category?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right, this is women who still look feminine.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh my God. So they're like a drug dealer that works for the government.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And this is a reality of female bodybuilding, that a lot of female bodybuilders. Look, I know female jiu-jitsu competitors that take steroids. which is crazy. There's not even any money in that. You're juicing yourself up. But if you want to get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman, what do they take?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Whoa. God. Look at that lady. That's crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So what's women's bodybuilding? That lady? Probably. Who's Miss Olympia?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Look at that lady down the lower left hand. Jeez, those ladies are huge. Oh, my goodness. That's got to be it. Those are dudes. That's a dude's body, like size-wise. Not saying you're a dude, ladies. Don't hurt me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, my God. Have you ever thought about bailing out of Canada?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, there's a lot of stupidity with their regulations. Like one of them is BBC 157, which is natural in the human body. And peptides, all they're doing is helping you heal. You're literally dealing with a sport where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training. And you're not going to assist these people in healing? Wouldn't that only benefit everybody?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So they make it very difficult to leave the country. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It says impossibly unaffordable housing report ranks Vancouver third most expensive in the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Wow. Sydney. That's interesting. Huh. I would have never suspected Sydney, Australia to be that expensive. That's nuts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Shut the fuck up. Why are they standing face forward then?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
There's no fear of harm. No one's dying from BBC 157. Within the code, there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended. Wow, look how they phrased that. What dirty language. Proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended. What does that mean?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
All right, man. Well, been a lot of fun. More plates, more dates on YouTube. What is your website?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
My pleasure, brother. Always good to see you. All right. Bye, everybody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It means you're allowing them to cheat. However, there's a clear process for that, which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating information. Wait a minute. What are you saying then? So it doesn't do that. They're saying it doesn't do that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Okay, so they pretended that they wouldn't let someone compete if they were doping, but they still did.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like that. What? And asked WADA to agree to non-publication. What? Were they worried about that with Lance Armstrong? The fuck are you talking about? Security at risk.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
In another case of a high-level athlete, USADA never notified WADA of its decision to lift an athlete's provisional suspension, which is an appealable decision despite being required to do so under the code. Had WADA been notified, it would have never allowed this. Wow. Interesting.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
That's so dirty. That's so dirty. That's literally contrary to the whole reason why they exist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
What's really crazy is, I mean, according to the UFC, so what happened was the UFC had some disputes with them and decided to sever their relationship. And then USADA, like, publicly said that UFC is going to allow their competitors to do steroids now. which is not the case at all. They already had a contract in place with Drug Free Sport.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So we just watched this. What is this exact job? We watched this guy get assassinated. I've seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I talked to the guy from Drug Free Sport, and he was essentially laying out the protocol. It was essentially identical. No BPC-157, no testosterone growth, nothing. You can't do anything.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Was that like a budget thing? Like it was too expensive for those tests?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, but if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's an event in Mexico City, which is 7,700 feet above sea level, that place is brutal. That's where Cain Velasquez, who was known as probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time, he fought Fabrizio Verdum, and he did not prepare properly.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Fabrizio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for like four months.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So Fabricio, who speaks fluent Spanish, lived in Mexico. He really got ready, and he beat Cain Velasquez on that night to become the champion. And he had tremendous cardio, and Cain was just dying. That's how brutal Mexico City is.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these really high-altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City, and you don't test for EPO. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, particularly if like you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. I don't know how it is when there's so many things you can't put on. Do you know that there's a loophole that the ladies use to show their breasts? Which one? Fake boobs, fake baby breasts. Oh, no. Yeah, they use a fake baby. So they breastfeed. So you got these girls, these big juicy melons, and they pull one out and have a rubber baby, and the rubber baby's sucking on its head.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
How long is this like the life is detectable inside your body?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, how much of a benefit do you get from microdosing?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, that's why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down to flyweight to fight Henry Cejudo, which is when he got popped. And, you know, but he was, he looked like a skeleton. Did you ever see those weight cut? Yeah, that was insane.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Wow. Yeah. Well, one of the things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use, especially like directly after cardio, imparts like a microdose EPO effect. Have you read anything about that?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, maybe we could find it, but I know it's helped my cardio. It helps significantly because I went through an injury once where I couldn't do any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while. And whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that, it would be the first few days were fucking brutal. And it wasn't brutal at all.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And it was because of regular sauna use. Sauna bathing can increase the production of EPO, a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells. This can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen. Now, it says here's how plasma volume, when you sit in a sauna, you sweat, which comes from blood plasma. As your blood plasma levels decrease, your kidneys release EPO.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right, right. Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Nowitzki actually said could be an issue, is that it is possible, at least theoretically, to take testosterone from animals.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
The baby looks so fake. That's hilarious. But they can get some pretty realistic fake babies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was that movie with the sniper movie about Chris Kyle? What was that called? Remember, there was a movie where he had a fake baby, and it was so obvious. He's got this rubber baby, and he's holding onto his child in this stupid scene.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So find a mammal-based testosterone instead of getting it from—so they create it from wild yams, right?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So wild yams from Mexico, apparently, where they get all the testosterone when you buy testosterone sip and ate or whatever.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, that's interesting because soy is always associated with like soy boys. Bad stuff. Yeah, it's associated with high estrogen levels.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So Nowitzki was saying that at least in theory, a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals and then it would be impossible to differentiate.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So it's possible if you were sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
God, it would be, it seems like it'd be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere. Yeah, yeah. And then they go, yeah, senor, you got problems.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Well, there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time before he tested positive. And one of the concerns was that he was testing himself, that he had gotten tested like a number of times, which generally you don't do. Yeah.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I might be speaking out of turn. I might be speaking out of school here. I don't remember. I don't remember the thing. But I remember someone who knows things telling me, you know, I'm kind of on the inside. So someone who knows things on the inside told me, dude, he got tested like 20 fucking times or something crazy like that. During camp.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, he's also pissed hot. This is when he fought Mark Hunt. Oh, right, right. And there's a giant lawsuit involved right now. Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't know if that lawsuit has been, if it's still ongoing or what the deal was, but Mark Hunt was furious.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It was obvious when you look at the guy. I mean, he was like 39 years old, 300 pounds, like cutting down at 265. He was fucking huge, man.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. That makes sense. But wasn't there a famous Russian wrestler who was popped? Because they went back and looked at his old stuff, like once they developed new testing protocols.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You're also managing at scale, right? Like how many athletes are you dealing with? Yeah. How much time do you have to go back and, you know, review all the different urine samples and go back? Yeah.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They had this one lady who was saying she made $40 million this year on OnlyFans.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Sure. Sure she's a virgin. Sure. She's a 23-year-old big-tittied virgin, the only one that exists in the whole world.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, that kind of makes sense, right? Because one thing you would want is more oxygen and endurance when you're figure skating. It's pretty cardio intensive when you're spinning around and flying around. Yeah.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But they said that steroids, they found gross motor skills. He's so loud, dude. You can nudge him, keep him from fucking snoring so loud. But they found that testosterone and things along those lines, actual steroids, it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater, that it didn't enhance. But that was Gregory, whatever his name was, from Icarus.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, I've heard of people using beta blockers.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It makes sense, right? Yeah. Just dropping that anxiety response.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I thought about doing it once. I even asked my doctor about it. He was going to get it for me, but I was like, I don't want to cheat. Like half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together. And if you could just do it, like if I could just shoot at a deer the way I'd shoot at a target, I don't think it would be the same.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You're a purist. Yeah, in that regard. Because part of it is the discipline of managing your mind. That's what I like about it. I like that it's hard to do. I don't want it to be easier. It's fucking hard to do. And that's literally why I like it. If I could take a drug that would make it easier to do, I don't think I would like it. I'm very effective right now.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I'm real successful at bow hunting, relatively. It's a non... I go to a lot of really great places to hunt because I have money. I'm fortunate. But relatively speaking, bow hunting is not a successful endeavor. It's like maybe 10% of the hunts where people get tags, maybe, probably less in most places, actually harvest an animal. How often do you do it? I do it twice a year.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I go on a big elk hunt, and I do a bunch of pig hunts and stuff like that. In between that, maybe one deer hunt.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, I go for like a week. The really intensive part, though, is the preparation for it. And I was going to tell you about this, too, because I actually fucked my body up getting ready for this one. So when hunting season approaches, for like three months out of hunting season, I ramp up all my cardio and all my archery. So I practice in my backyard. I practice archery. I'm shooting at 85 yards.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I shoot an 84-pound bow, and I might shoot it 100 times a day. So I'm pulling 80 pounds, 84 pounds, 100 times in a day. And I'm doing it day after day after day after day. I'm doing it five, six days a week. So I was developing, like, severe pain in my lower back on my right side that led to, like, sciatica.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
developing some severe neck pain on my right side so this is it's all it's really an unbalanced thing right because I really should draw something back with my I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right but I don't so you draw back so I'm pulling it's
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
84 pounds to pull it back, at least for the beginning of the cycle, and then the cams rotate over and it significantly lowers. Like the holding weight is, I think my holding weight is like 20%, 20 or 25% of the actual weight of the bow. But what happens is, as you're pulling back and you lock it in place, The way archery works is you want to what's called pull at the wall, right?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So where the string hits the end where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow, I'm pulling hard against that wall so I'm steady, right? And then I'm trying to relax this shoulder and pull and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back, with my lower back muscle. So on my right side, it was just getting locked up, like painful and stiff and sore and my
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going I would do it for hours three hours a day just hours and hours and hours and I just developed a real problem to the point where like when I was the last trip when I was going up hills my hips were getting numb like my glutes weren't firing I was getting sciatic pain it was pretty bad
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, she wins. But the problem is this is – I mean, I don't want to tell anybody to not do anything. Like, ladies, you do what you want. You do you. If I was a young pretty girl, I'd probably be on OnlyFans. I'd probably make some money. Fuck it. Why would I want to be a waitress when I could just show my tits? That's how I would look at it. The problem is twofold.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
so i knew after hunting season was over i was gonna have to dress it so i got some stem cell shots which definitely helped i started doing a lot of stretching no archery for a couple months a lot of like hard foam like it's i have a from elite flexibility they make like a pvc roller with like a very thin layer so it's very hard and i was doing a lot of rolling rolling in the sauna
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Cold plunge, sauna, stretching, and it was getting a little better slowly, but it was brutal. It was taking a long time to recover. And then I started doing this thing called NuFit. And what NuFit is is electrical muscular stimulation while you're going through exercise routines. And so they slap these electro pads all over your muscles and fully contract you.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And then you go through exercises while you're doing it. And it's like significantly increased my rehabilitation. I've only been doing it for a few weeks too. I've only been doing it for like three weeks. All my back pain's gone. Mobility's back. No more sciatica at all. No issues at all. And everything is like much looser. It's like coming back.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
No, I think it's the combination of things. It's very hard to tell what is actually working. But when you add one thing and then all of a sudden you get a significant response, I'm assuming that this NuFit thing is having at least responsible for... I mean, there's some sort of synergistic effect, right? Because I'm using peptides. Like I said, I got stem cells shot into it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And it takes a while for the stem cells to take place. I'm sure that's part of it. But then this NuFit thing is pretty significant. So I've been doing that quite a lot. I've been doing that four days a week, and it's legit, man. It's really legit. I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the fight with Jake Paul. So I know a lot of other athletes use it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
A lot of people use it for rehabilitation. It really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from surgeries and injuries and stuff like that.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Nothing new, nothing new. Still BPC-157, TB-500, you know, ipamoralin, stuff like that. Like the same stuff that I've always used before. This is the only thing that I've done that's really new, this new fifth. Have you ever seen it before? No. See if you can find like some examples of, because like I said, Tyson was using it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
No. So what you're doing is, so I'm doing it for rehabilitation. So this is what it looks like. So they slap these electrodes to you so your muscles are just like locked up depending on how much you can tolerate. So I get them to crank that fucker up. And when you're doing it, your muscles are like completely flexed through the whole thing. It's kind of painful.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And then while you're doing that, you're going through all these different exercises.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
One, you become addicted to an extraordinary amount of money if you're successful at it, right? So there's like a scale of people on the OnlyFans apparently. Most of the OnlyFans – we talked about this, right? Like most of the gals don't make that much money. Most of them –
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
For me, what I'm doing is rehabilitative. But other people do it for hypertrophy. And bodybuilders do it apparently to, like, say if you've got, like, trap issues. Like, you don't want to... You need to like have one area where you want to improve. They're slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
There was a place in Boston when I lived there in the 80s that had that. I forget what it was called, but you would basically go there, and their claim was they would get you, you'd have a six-pack, you'd get jacked, and all you have to do is lay there. You'd lay there, and they'd put these electrodes on you, just...
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yes, like back in the 40s, they'd just sit there shaking back and forth.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Perhaps. The idea is that it's enhancing you past what you would normally get because you're in this very unique state of constant contraction. Yeah. So there's no contract, relax, contract, relax. You are just contracted. You're just relaxed. And then you're going through all these exercises, so you have to kind of force your way through the exercises while you're contracted.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right, right, right. Yeah, I would agree.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. Well, this guy was telling me that some bodybuilders use it to target areas of having difficulty, like maybe your calves. Yeah. People have a difficult time growing calf muscles.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's calf. Look at Jon Jones. That's the craziest thing. Like one of the best kickers in the sport, no calves. They're like non-existent.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's weird because you get to go like John where everything else is pretty big. You know, he's got big chest, big arms.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, especially for performance. You know, like you certainly need strong calf muscles for performance. So you can make them stronger. They just don't necessarily get aesthetically pleasing.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Is there anything else like that? Any other body parts that are like notoriously difficult to train?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
With neck, you've got to be careful, though. You know, I use an iron neck, which I really believe in. It's like the only thing that I've ever done that's strengthened my neck and not caused me any neck problems. Whereas I think those other ones, like, you know those things where you put, like, the leather helmet on with the chain? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's an unusual movement for your neck.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And I think... You could probably get away with it. I know a lot of wrestlers, including Mike Tyson, who fucked their neck up from neck bridges.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, they would have to have crazy necks.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, you have to. They're just sitting there with a giant fucking contraption on their head, just like... Like an iron neck.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, but see, what I'm saying is they're not bending the neck, right? So what they're doing is they're forcing their muscles to stabilize the neck as they're facing resistance, right? But what they're not doing is bending all the way down and bending all the way up with weight, which I think is what's unusual. And I think that's just a weird strain on the discs.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And with a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strained from is like someone grabbing them with a collar tie and like pulling their head down and they get it real low and then they're resisting that. You can fuck your neck up that way or fighting off a guillotine or a darts choke or a triangle where you're like really fucked up and distorted and you're resisting against it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You can fuck your neck up. So what the Iron Neck does that I really like is you're rotating, and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation. So you have this halo. You put it on your head. You pump it like a Reebok pump, and if form fits to your head, you put a chin strap on, and then you back up. And so it's got a bungee cord, so a very stiff rubber cord.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And as you're pulling back, you have a lot of resistance this way. And then you could rotate. And then on the rotation, you could adjust the resistance. You could make it more difficult. But you're never doing any of this stuff. And I think this stuff is where, at least from what I've seen, people get hurt. Especially neck bridges. Neck bridges where your whole body. Oh, I can imagine.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And you're doing all this and you're rolling. Like Tyson, you ever seen Tyson's neck bridge routine when he was younger? No. Well, Tyson had a 20-inch neck. Yeah. 20 inches. You know how crazy that is? His neck would start at the top of his head. When he was young, I mean, he had a fucking massive neck.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But it's one of the reasons why he was also so good at taking a punch.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Because his head didn't snap around. Like, look at his neck when he was young.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
that neck is crazy dude that's like crazy parallel with his head yeah like see look at this is what he would do every day in training holy that looks yeah rough but this wrestler bridge does strengthen your neck but at a cost and i don't think it's at a cost for everybody i think it probably can be done safely but i think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your discs, you know, like when you're in these reared positions.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And you have to do a really good job, like, every time. Super enthusiastic. But my point is, like, you're not going to, like, most... beautiful young women want a high value man as a husband. Let's say they're heterosexual. Let's just assume they want to get married. If they do want to get married, they do want a relationship.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Like you're never supposed to have all, you know, at least bridging with like 60% of your weight sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over to the side and then roll it over to the side while you're putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead. That's just crazy. That's crazy.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Me and Tom Segura have this thing where we send each other the most fucked up thing we find every day. It's a brutal text thread. But because of it, now I'm locked into this algorithm.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Well, Mike had to get neck surgery. Yoel Romero, like I said, had his whole neck fused. His neck doesn't. Have you ever seen him run?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Find the video of Yoel Romero sprinting. It's nuts. His neck doesn't move. It's like this. Like a robot. Like a Terminator. But it's also why Yoel can take crazy punishment. Like, Yoel got head kicked once by, I think it was Derek Brunson head kicked him, and he didn't even move. Like, look at him run. So his neck doesn't move. His entire neck is completely fused.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And he has this giant scar on the back of his neck. He is a freak, though, dude.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I don't know. I don't know if you can keep that kind of muscle mass and have the kind of cardio that you need to throw yourself into the fire more.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
take out a lot of dudes that he just let go to decision perhaps but you have to like know how much gas you have in the tank and only he knows and that style that he has is a style for someone who's very explosive it's very smart because you don't just explode and keep going you won't last you last two minutes and then you'll be dead
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So what he does is he looks so relaxed and then he explodes on you. And when he explodes on people, they don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at. Did you ever see his knockout of Chris Weidman? Probably. That's the perfect example of that.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He caught Chris Wyman with a flying knee as Chris Wyman was coming in for a takedown. He just like lulled him into like, this is the speed we're moving at. We're going to move at this speed. This is how we're fighting. Oh, I'm dodging your punches. Oh, I'm dodging. And then out of nowhere, bam, he hits him with his flying knee and just destroys his head. I mean, it was one of the most brutal.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Watch this. So see how he like moved, boom! Yeah, I mean, literally his whole body, back it up again so we can see that one more time. Like before it happens. So they're fighting. He's got him on the ground. So here it is. So you see as he moves, boom, he just leaps into him. This is like a highlight thing. It's not showing the whole exchange.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But in the fight, Weidman's very aggressive, very tough, and pushing the pace, trying to get the takedowns. Weidman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys. And Yoel just would kind of move and relax. Woo!
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And then out of nowhere he would just blow on you and that's what he did with Adesanya too like that was a very boring fight because Adesanya's like I see your fucking game I'm gonna stay out here and wait for you to charge in on me I'm gonna counter-attack and Yoel was like come on come fight me and he's like I know what you're doing because he he exploded one time and caught Izzy with a left hand like a powerful left hand and Izzy's like oh Jesus Christ and
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You're not going to get a high-value man, especially if you're making millions of dollars a year doing this. You're going to want a guy who makes millions of dollars a year, right? You're not going to want a guy who makes less than you. You're probably used to buying fucking Louis Vuitton, this and that, and you're used to all this shit. So you're wealthy, right?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
This guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to but he can't really fight like that for five minutes for five rounds You can't really just keep exploding. That's like the problem with a guy like Conor McGregor Like Conor McGregor was lethal for one or two rounds, but then you get into the third fourth and fifth It's there's so much fast twitch muscle fiber engagement. There's so much explosion.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
That's a good question. I don't know. I mean, he certainly could, right? I mean, he's not out of shape.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, he was so fast in the first couple of rounds. That was the thing. It's like, if he didn't... fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds. If you were like Nate Diaz, some indestructible zombie, and then you get into the later rounds, and you're fucking tired, like, how is this guy still here? And then Nate is just slapping you and beating you up, and Nate can push that 50% pace forever.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Him and his brother were very good at that. They didn't really explode. They just would, like, touch you. They would just touch you all the time. And you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax, right? So if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard, you're like, Because you're always like, because you don't know if these punches are going to be hard.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And then he occasionally would mix them up with like really hard shots. And so you always have to be ready for the hard shots. So you never get to breathe. You never get to relax. So you're constantly on edge and you're just getting worn out. And he's relaxed because he's just hitting you and touching you. And he's talking shit to you. What bitch? What bitch? What's going on, bitch?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And he keep hitting you this like 50%, like literally like this, not really trying to hurt you at all. Just, just, just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank. They seem relentless. Oh, dude. Well, his cardio, Nick Diaz especially, his cardio was insanity. He swam back from Alcatraz. He did it on five different occasions in the ocean with great white sharks.
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What is it, like a mile and a half or something like that in the fucking freezing cold Pacific Northwest Ocean?
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How far is Alcatraz? How far is the swim? They used to think you couldn't do it. They used to think no one could survive it. So that's why they put Alcatraz there. They put a prison out there. They're fucked. But a couple of guys did escape, and they don't know what happened to them. They found their clothes at the beach. There's speculation that at least one guy survived it.
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But how are you going to train? You get trained to swim, and then you're going to just swim for a mile and a half?
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I mean, you could do cardio, but you're not going to recreate swimming without swimming. The resistance, the current, like all of it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. You're just not going to be able to recreate that unless you're doing it, and they're not going to let you practice. Like, guys, I'm just going to do laps around Alcatraz. Like, get the fuck out of here. How far is it, Jamie? Mile and a half. So a mile and a half in the fucking ocean with sharks.
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So already your dating pool is smaller because you're probably not interested in a guy who makes $100,000 a year. Like a regular guy to you is like, what is he going to do? He can't even take me anywhere. I'm going to pay for our vacation? Get the fuck out of here, right? So you've already cut regular guys out. So now you have a very small pool of men that you can date.
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It was a Clint Eastwood movie. Escape from Alcatraz. Did you see it? Yeah, there's a movie about the actual escape from Alcatraz. These guys had made a paper mache model of their face and put some pillows and shit and threw a blanket over it. And the guards, when they would go to check, thought these guys were still in their bed. Meanwhile, they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the cell.
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1979 film, Escape from Alcatraz, presented inconclusive conclusions. What does that mean? One of the island's enduring mysteries told the true story of three men, Frank Morris and the brothers Clarence and John Anglin, who made it out of the prison in June of 1962 and were never seen again. Nobody knows for sure whether they made good on their escape or drowned in the attempt.
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True stories like that and others embellish tales of man-eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable Alcatraz and the impossible swim. Well, it's definitely not impossible because Nick Diaz has done it five fucking times. But people do it all the time now.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You know, it's like an endurance thing that people constantly do now. Someone did it 979 times, this guy. Whoa! He does it monthly. Oh, my God. What a fucking psycho. 979 times? That is rolling the dice on sharks, bro.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
No, it wasn't operating. Oh, it's like a tourist attraction, right? Yeah. When I was a kid, we went to visit it with school. When I lived in San Francisco, they took us to Alcatraz. It was a field trip. It was pretty cool. You had to be in these prisons where all these people used to get. It's very weird. Why did it shut down? I don't know. It's a good question. Why did they shut Alcatraz down?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Maybe when they figured out people could swim it. That would be a good reason. Yeah, I mean.
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It's got to take a long time, though. A mile and a half in the ocean, how long does that take?
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That makes sense, right? You've got to get all the supplies and out there by boat, by ferry.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Hmm. But they had super dangerous ones there, right? Wasn't that the whole idea? It was all murderers. I think it was like super maximum security for the biggest psychos. They put them on Alcatraz.
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Yeah. I think, yeah. Yeah, I think that was about it too. Yeah, but guys who have extreme cardio, that's a real weapon. Power is important. Well, it's always important. But cardio is one of the most important things because when you get tired, you don't think right. You don't make good decisions. And then you also – you're just not as effective. You're not going to scramble out of positions.
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You're going to relax a little, try to catch your breath. Like if you get taken down, you're not going to like completely exert. Chuck Liddell said this to me once. He said when guys get taken down, they accept the takedown. And the thing is they get taken down and then they try to work their way back up to their feet. He goes, I never did that.
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When I got taken down, the moment my back touched the ground, it was like hot lava. Yeah. And I just exploded immediately. I never let them hold me. And that was the key to never getting taken down and held down. He's a really good wrestler as well, obviously. But the moment someone would take him down, he would never accept it. Some guys accept it like, fuck, I got taken down.
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And then out of that pool, how many of them are going to accept the fact that you're doing this? Now you have an even smaller pool. So some guys will accept it, but for how long? Like if you get real serious and you get married and then you're still showing your asshole to everybody? But you're addicted to that money.
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Overhook, underhook, control posture, work my full guard, try to buy time where I have enough energy to escape. And figure out, am I going to try to sweep him? Am I going to try to pummel and try to get back up to my feet? Am I going to try to scoot back to the cage? A bunch of different strategies to try to get back up. But the thing is, when you're tired, you'll accept that takedown.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And when you see guys accept the takedown and just pull full guard, that guy's fucking tired.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, that fight was crazy, huh? Yeah. Michael Chandler almost fucking had him in that fifth round.
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Almost had him. I mean, what a relentless motherfucker that guy is.
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I mean, he was getting his ass kicked for four rounds and then finally almost fucks him up.
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Well, it's also crazy that a guy like him, who is pretty heavily muscled, and is just such a fucking training machine, that he has that ultimate gas tank even in the fifth round. Just explode. In the fifth round, he was going hard, which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Conor.
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Right. Well, Sean Shirk was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. I thought he was so... For the time.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He was a fitness fanatic, like a conditioning fanatic, but... There was a few guys, like Rich Franklin was a fitness fanatic too. They dedicated a significant amount of their time just to strength and conditioning. So they had this ultimate gas tank. But with Rich Franklin, the problem was his skill level was never going to compete with Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva was just a god at the time.
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I mean, in his prime, he was like 34 years old. He was fucking unstoppable. Yeah.
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It was skill too. It's like he had the ability to let punches get right here and he would just move his head slightly and then bang, crack you. All your momentum is coming in and he would counter you. And he was just so skillful and he was like a computer.
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He would, the first minute of the round, first fight, like first round of the fight, you would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you're capable of. He would see you swing like, okay, I got that. Okay, I'll do a little of this. I'll kick him a couple of times. And then by the end of the round, he's like, okay, motherfucker.
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And then you'd see him like the Yushin Okami fight is a great example of that. By the end of the first round, he head kicks Okami and drops him. He just starts tuning him up. He gets what you can do. He's like, you can't do it. I do. And then he just starts turning it on.
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Are you going to pick a relationship over this guy who may or may not be DMing his ex-girlfriend? You're going to throw it all away and throw away this $40 million a year empire you've created? Or are you trapped in that essentially forever?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, people forget. The thing about fighters when they fight past their prime is you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s, and you remember them from their later fights. You don't remember them when they were unstoppable. Like when Anderson was in his prime, he's one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived.
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Yes. He opened his fridge. What are you eating? Oh, I'm eating growth.
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Well, did you ever see his coach, his weightlifting coach?
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probably when i was looking into it but i'm assuming he's yoked the dude was like 65 years old and built like joel romero oh my god see if you can find anderson silva's uh strength and conditioning coach i mean there was no way there's just no way that guy knows what to take yeah there's no way there's no he was in his 60s fucking jacked i mean just super jacked like that's him Oh, Jesus. Yeah.
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Look at Anderson's face. It's a perfect picture. I mean, look at that dude. That dude's in his 60s.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Tainted supplements likely cause a failed test, not what's in my fridge. Look at the size of that guy in his 60s. So, obviously, he knows what to take. Yeah. That guy knows some stuff.
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I don't know if Conor's ever going to fight again.
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Yeah. You know, I don't know the real details of that case. I know his version of it and her version of it and what played out in the court. But the reality is that guy's partying, and he's partying real hard. And he talked about it in the court case. You know, he's talking about cocaine. Like, that was the whole thing, that we're all doing cocaine and we're fucking.
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Allegedly. He seems at least excited about it.
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Right, right. You know, it's funny. Shane Gillis has a great bit about Conor McGregor and Roadhouse. He goes, Conor McGregor basically played a coked out Conor McGregor in Roadhouse. And Shane does like a Connor impression. So it's fucking hilarious. Like, I mean, he's, he likes Coke. Oh yeah. But I think there's another issue to talk about. And that is that, um,
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A lot of fighters, when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career, and there's no way to not get that, right? We've all seen Conor get beat up and knocked out. We've seen Conor's sparring footage. He spars pro boxers. He's sparring elite fighters. You're getting hit in the head a lot.
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And a lot of fighters, especially towards the end of their career, turn to drugs. And I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in where their dopamine levels are all fucked up, their cortisol levels are all fucked up, their bodies just, you're not supposed to get punched in the head a thousand times a year. It's just not supposed to happen.
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And that's the reality of consistent training. So if you think about consistent training, like say if you and me are sparring, And we meet at the gym three times a week and we spar three times a week. And let's say we spar five rounds three times a week. Five rounds of five minutes each. You might hit me 15, 20 times a round. And then we're doing that three times a week.
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And we're doing that over and over and over again. And it's not even, this is the thing people say, oh, you spar light. Sure. Sure. Sparring light is important. But subconcussive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE. Now, soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball. I've bounced a soccer ball. I played soccer when I was a kid. That doesn't hurt.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But that, that thump, that's giving you CTE. People who ride jet skis get CTE.
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My friend Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury, and he works at the Wounded Warrior Foundation. I think he works with them. Oh, Angel Warrior Foundation. Yeah. He works with a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland.
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Your endocrine system gets fucked up from breaches, explosions, blown up in IEDs, all those kind of things. Those guys are fucked. The inside of their brain is fucked. And there's a bunch of different therapies they apply to that, but- The bottom line is that it's not just getting knocked out. It's just getting thumped a lot. Just thumped in training. So if we're sparring, you know, we're friends.
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If we're sparring, I wouldn't hit you hard. I'd hit you like that. I wouldn't try to kill you. I'd hit you like that. But that over and over again, you're going to get brain damage. Fact. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. You're going to get brain damage. And if you're doing that over the course of a 10, 15-year career, think about all those camps, all those rounds, all those times you sparred.
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But why would they pay for that when there's so much of that for free on Instagram?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And not just sparred that way. How many collisions? How many times I've been collided with doing jiu-jitsu? You accidentally butt heads. You accidentally take a knee to the head. You accidentally take an elbow to the head. It's constant. So you've got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again.
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And then you get a little bit of coke, little bit of coke, and you're feeling good again. I bet you get addicted to it. And the guy obviously likes extreme things, which is why he's such a great fighter. They're wild people. That's why Jon Jones liked cocaine too. They're fucking wild people. They want to fight. They want to fight in a cage for a living.
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That's how they literally feed themselves, by beating the fuck out of skilled people.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Why would you not let people take that? That seems like that should be standard. That should be given to everybody, like vitamins.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, what about somebody who doesn't have brain damage, just wants to get really smart?
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Have you seen the studies on creatine and performance with sleep deprivation?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right, five grams for a 140-pound person versus a 240-pound person.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I take six. It says take three. I take six. Well, let's see what the dose is. Go to try, create.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Whoa. Yeah. I'll start doing that. Start with like 10.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I have no problem with creatine. I used to think it made my face fat, but I think I was just eating too much pasta.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. And then there's two types, right? There's creatine monohydrate, and then there's another creatine. What is the other one?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's cheaper, easier to access. Isn't there some other stuff, H-something, that you take in combination with it?
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My diet is almost entirely protein. Yeah, my diet is mostly meat.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, but that's not like a typical person, I would say. Most of my meals are meat. Like my breakfast today, I ate like a pound of elk. That was my breakfast. So what I do is I meal prep for the week on Sunday. So I'll take out of my freezer, I take a bunch of elk steaks, And I put them on the Traeger. I slow cook them at like 265 degrees until I get them to the proper internal temperature.
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And then I sear them. I cut them up. And then I put them in like a glass container and put them in my refrigerator. And then I pull it out whenever I want to eat.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Cooked weight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah. I probably eat at least three pounds of meat a day.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, I do take those gummies. Like I said, I take six of those a day, but maybe I'm going to take... I get the powder, bro. I'm going to take 20 gummies. See what happens. We'll see what happens.
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A targeted attack by a gunman waiting for him. A real assassination. 6.45 a.m. outside the Hilton on 6th Avenue, where the company's annual investor conference is about to take place. Yeah, man. I wonder what's going on with that. That's one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo. I'm sure there's some real good theories floating around on X right now. Oh, for sure.
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Yeah, let's see what's up. They don't seem to make you, they don't upset my stomach at all.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Wow. I've never had an upset stomach from creatine. I've taken it in the past. But I'm taking it now more consistently than I've ever taken it before. Because with the gummies, it's so easy. I keep it in the gym. I just bust it open. Yeah. Eat some of them.
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What is the mechanism for giving you a cognitive enhancing benefit?
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It makes you wonder, like people that are on a vegan diet, like what are their creatine levels like?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, that's like one of the more insidious things about these people that are proselytizers, who are trying to get people to become vegan. And one of the things that they say is that it'll improve your athletic performance, which is like straight horseshit. I don't know of any elite athlete at the very top of any sport that's a vegan. Do you?
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So the difference between, um, one thing is like if someone say, well, a pound of broccoli will equal, you know, X amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein that's, but it's not the same bioavailability.
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And is creatine, is it sourced in a vegan way or is any of it derived from animal sources?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's pretty crazy what they can synthesize.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Well, it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create all the stuff that we have available right now.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
That's what's nuts. It's like super effective.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. It's very strange that it's also kind of derided, that people look down upon it. Why would you look down upon anything, especially if you're an older person? Why would you look down upon anything that's going to make you feel better?
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That's the thing for women, there was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement.
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Well, think about how many fucking people are on testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems. I don't know of anybody that has a problem with it. I know of so many people that have been enhanced by it and they feel so much better. They have so much more energy, more life.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Wow. Yeah. There's so much shit information out there. That's what's fucked. When you hear about studies that like, you know, when the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat because they were trying to say that saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar. When you see about, and I think they only paid them like $50,000 or something crazy. Oh, my God.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You don't know that? Well, I didn't know it was 50 grand pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's like that's $50,000 and it ruined and not that if it was a bigger amount of money It would be fine.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But I mean, it's just shocking If they paid him 50 million, yeah, well, you know, they're unethical but hey if somebody offered me 50 million who knows what I would do no $50,000 and these motherfuckers ruined people for decades until though one of the portions ruined like the fucking yeah food pyramid. Oh, it's like they've Yep, there it is 50 years ago, sugar industry quietly paid scientists.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They wound up paying approximately $50,000 in today's dollars for the research. So it's even less than $50,000. So it's $50,000 today. So 50 years ago, that's probably $10,000. Yeah. They paid them $10,000, and these motherfuckers ruined everyone's health. Got people taking margarine. Thrill. Being scared of butter and eggs and meat. Damn, dude. Crazy.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I like fruit before I work out. I like fruit after I work out sometimes. I like fruit, but I very rarely eat vegetables unless I want to. Like if some asparagus and it's looking good, I'll have some asparagus. You know what I mean? Like if I see some Brussels sprouts, I eat it for taste. Sort of like I think of it like pasta, except not as bad for you.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I think of it as like, oh, that would probably taste good. I'd like to eat some of that. I don't think of it as like this is like nutrition and fuel. So when I eat for nutrition and fuel, it's eggs and steak. That's 90 plus percent of my diet.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
First of all, XY chromosome, case closed. And this is what the Enhance game wants to do. So the Enhance games, they're developing this...
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
olympic style event and they're they're spending a lot of money on it they have a lot of big investors and they're going to give real prizes like a million dollars if you win the gold medal instead of zero which is what the olympics gives and i asked them i'm like how are you going to address like trans athletes and they said we think we're going to do chromosomes
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Which is really the only way to do it politically correct. You don't say, this is not a woman. You say, what are your chromosomes? Ma'am, what are your chromosomes? X, Y. Ma'am, you got to be in the X, Y box. Get over there. But I identify as a woman. Get over there.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Or, you know, you got some Andrew Tate type deal. There's a bunch of dudes who are like pounding on the keyboard where the girl shows her tits. Yeah. Which is what he did for years. Yeah. Innovator.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They would have already done that. Where there's smoke, there's fire. I think too many people are calling you a man. There's this one case of there was that runner who- Chester Samania? Right. So that's a very different thing.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, let's see what is the latest on this. So let's find out what is the leaked story on this boxer and find out, like, has anybody analyzed this? Is there any, like, conclusion that anybody's drawn? I don't think so.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And the curve. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to not have any idea whether it's even a real person, right? Because there's a bunch of AI-generated girlfriends or girls, rather, that have OnlyFans where they don't even exist. They're not even a physical being.
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confirms Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over medical allegations. But this is just about the legal.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
She's also saddened by the abuse she has received. Do you think they'll go back and edit this if it turns out she's a man? He's saddened by the abuse that he's received.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Of course. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, she'd never felt a punch like this. So what?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Fucking fighting people. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. So what is the leaked report, Jamie? Find out what the leaked report on this person is.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I understand what it has to do with it, but find out what the actual leaked report is. Like, what is the leaked report? Um... Oh, Jesus.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Okay, French journalist. But it's been—there's been multiple studies or multiple articles written saying that this person has XY chromosomes.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, International Boxing Association did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility test. But the International Olympic Committee did authorize her presence at Paris 2024. But here's the thing. Like, is this when when they say the International Olympic Committee did authorize, what are they by what?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Didn't Dylan Mulvaney change their passport to a female?
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Did they? Find out. Can you change your passport to female if you're transgender? I think you can. I don't know if Dylan Mulvaney did it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
The whole thing is so crazy. This is one of the weirder aspects. And the reason why people harp on it so much, why is everybody so obsessed with trans? This is why. Because it's bizarre. No medical documentation. You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker. So this is for on U.S. passport.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You can select M for male, F for female, or X for unspecified or another gender identity. So you could have X on your passport. I think I'm going to get that. So no medical documentary. So I could be a female. I could just say I'm a female, show up with a full beard. Genetic marker you select doesn't need to match your gender on your citizenship evidence or photo ID.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
See, the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you. I don't know how you feel. I could be arrogant and completely... Not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You're a guy or you could be in agony going through life feeling like a woman and not understanding why you have a dick I Think there's that too, but like I talked about in my comedy special perverts
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Disappeared like the flu during kovat like they don't exist anymore Like a guy in a dress who gets a hard-on going into the women's room is a woman now They used to be psychos It used to be like Norman Bates in the movie psycho dress up like his mom Silence of the Lambs puts the lotion in the basket It was like there was if you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier you put him in a dress.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You took a psycho killer, you made him dress like a woman, like, oh, this guy's fucking crazy. And then somewhere, we just decided that doesn't exist anymore. And so there's no perverts.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room, go in the women's locker, play in women's sports, and you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people. Creepy guys who dress up like women, who pretend to be women, are just perverts. They just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
There's people that are out of their mind and you've given them a hall pass.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. If you're a disadvantaged fighting guys, you probably shouldn't be fighting.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, also, here's the other argument. There is a spectrum, right? So there are guys with naturally lower testosterone that are guys like, say, Yoel Romero. Yoel Romero has an advantage over almost everybody.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
When it comes to genetics, he's just like a fucking specimen from God. So you have that, which is the rarest of rare. And then you have a guy like fill in the blank. There's a bunch of fighters in the UFC. I don't want to disparage anybody. But there's a bunch of guys. You look at them and you're like, that's not a specimen.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But super tough, super technical, works real hard, very intelligent in their approach, and they manage to fight really well. But if they go up against a guy who's a freak, just a physical freak, and that guy works just as hard and is just as intelligent and just as methodical in their training, they're gonna have an advantage. Just a natural God-given advantage.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Just the universe has kissed them with genetics. And those people exist, man. And so you can't say, well, then that guy should be able to fight women now because he can't beat Yoel Romero. Like, that's stupid. That's fucking stupid. And it's also, you're not protecting women. I thought that the left was all about protecting women.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
This was the whole thing about progressives, protect people that are not as safe. I don't generally worry about women raping me. Never. Never in my life. Have I been in a bar and go, boy, I hope some woman doesn't try to rape me. I hope some woman doesn't try to root for me and get my dick hard. No one ever thinks that way.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an alleyway. They worry about that. Guys don't worry about that. It's just a completely different dynamic. So when you're comparing trans this and trans that, there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, there's a high percentage of people in this country that have a below 85 IQ. Like a real good percentage. Isn't it like 15 or 20 percent? Is it something nutty like that?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I don't give a fuck. What's that person that was Chaz Bono? Chaz Bono, Sonny Bono's daughter that became a man.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Chaz can come into the men's room. I don't give a fuck. It doesn't even freak me out at all. If Chaz is in the men's room and I have a two-year-old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom and go to the bathroom, I'm not worried about Chaz Bono. But I am worried about a pervert.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
If I was a guy and I had a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking 5 o'clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her and I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on. I go, I don't know. That might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Or it could be a complete fucking psycho, which are real things. And by being this compassionate person, I'm supposed to ignore the reality of psychos. That's crazy. This is where it becomes like a cult. This is where it becomes like you're indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can't stray from at all. And if you do, you're cast out of the kingdom forever. You're a heretic.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
When you watch people defend it, they have to do mental gymnastics. Yeah. Did you ever see that conversation that I had with Adam Conover about it?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh. Oh, it was one of the most brutal conversations of all time. It's about trans women in sports. And so this was like a debate. Well, it didn't turn out to be. It wasn't planned out. It just it just came about because he was doing, you know, he's just we're talking about it. And it got to the subject of trans women competing.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And his position was like, I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive. So if that makes it more inclusive for trans women and women. He was like in favor of hormone blockers for children that they've always known that they're a woman like what the fuck are you?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You don't have any kids You don't know what kids are like you could tell your kid that they're a werewolf like stay keep away from the full moon You're a werewolf. Oh, I always knew like the kid their kids their brains not formed and also they want to please you and if you're a How many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
How many people where they fly the flag of inclusivity and they're a proud progressive and I'm proud that I have a queer child? How much of that is your influence? Is it 0%? Because I bet it's not. I bet there's some sort of reinforcement of that. It's just like the numbers are so extraordinary. When you have parents that have three trans kids, you're like, what? Three? What are the odds of that?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, there's people that are about as smart as a Labrador. They just can talk. Then you can trick them. And if you can get those dumbasses that work at Subway to donate $5 a month and you get enough of them,
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And you're nuts? You're a nutty actress and you have three trans kids? What's going on here? And you're not allowed to say it. If you say anything, you say, oh, this person who's clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have Munchausen syndrome.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They might be doing something terrible to their child because they're just fucking nuts and they want a trans kid so they could fly it as a – they could put their pride flag on their fucking front door and they feel like a better person. There are people like that. And then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free and do whatever you want.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They want you to have complete freedom to – Express yourself. I don't care if a guy wears a dress. Wear a dress, man. If that's what you like, I don't care. You want to paint your nails? Want to have lipstick on? I don't give a fuck. Have a good time. I want you to be happy. I'll be your friend. Just don't try to compete against women in sports. That's fucking nuts.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And don't try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the women's locker room. How about the guy in Canada that's 50 years old that identifies as a teenage girl and was competing in, like, young girls swimming? And they allowed him? Because Canada, like, you know, you live there. Off the rails. You live in a communist shithole. That place is nuts.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time. On taxpayer money in Canada, they paid for a guy to develop breast milk. Do you know about this story?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, yeah. Has an adopted child paid for them, paid for this person to lactate. Imagine the toxic milk that's coming out of this man. Horrendous. Like what is in there? Like what are you generating? You don't even have the glands for it. Like what's actually being secreted there? What is that?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Fuck no. Like, what is happening? What is in that milk? What is that going to do to the baby that's sucking on it? And all in the name of inclusivity. All in the name of being a kind, compassionate, open-minded person. That's not open-minded. That's nuts. And it's cowardly. Because you're afraid to say what you know to be true because you don't want to suffer the repercussions.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You don't want to be called a transphobe, whatever the fuck that means. You don't want to be called a bigot. You don't want to be called any of these things. So you'll go along with some of the most preposterous ideas, including pretending that perverts don't exist.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, he seems way more reasonable than Trudeau, who seems completely insane.
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There's a UFC collab with an OnlyFans chick?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Full-on lunatic who's completely changed his tune on so many different things, including going after guns, what they did with the trucker strike.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Well, they did it to people who donated to the trucker convoy, which is really crazy. So you just say, hey, these people shouldn't be mandated to get a vaccine that has a safety profile that's really like, we don't really know yet. There's no long-term studies. We don't really know what's going to happen. And you're just like mandating this? Yeah.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Why? Why? I don't have to do it. Why are you making me do it? It turned out you really didn't have to do it. So this is what what's turned out now. You know, was it the here? I'll send it to you, Jamie. So they released a study recently where the actual government went and looked over here. I'll say this. So they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And the findings are. They're, you know, not that shocking to anybody who was actually paying attention, but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young and this or when, you know, COVID was recent rather. So COVID-19, this is the House released a 500 page report on COVID-19 pandemic key findings. COVID-19 likely originated from a lab related incident in Wuhan, China.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Crazy. You get banned from YouTube for saying that. Banned. Okay, over $200 billion in relief funds lost to fraud with criminals exploiting weak oversight. Prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates cause severe harm, economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss. while lacking robust scientific support.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Policies ignored natural immunity, pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science. Absolutely. WHO and CDC compromised by political interference, offering inconsistent, unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust, and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence."
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Select subcommittee on coronavirus pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct. Every single one of them. No repercussions. No retractions. No apology from Rachel Maddow. None of it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, that's good. Well, from what I understand, I talked to a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable in this, and he said that one of the real problems was the lack of aspiration, that they didn't aspirate when they injected people. Even when they did Biden on television, they just jammed that thing into his arm and shot it in there.
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The idea about it was it's supposed to stay local, right? It's supposed to stay local. But apparently there's been, if you talk to Brett Weinstein, a bunch of other people, there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local, that they've been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body.
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The issue, though, was if you didn't aspirate and you went right into a blood vessel. Ooh. So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological conditions, all these different things. So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your system, your body reacts to it like it's being attacked, right? Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn't heal, right?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Which is why your heart doesn't get cancer. Your heart scars, like your liver heals, your liver regenerates. You could lose half your liver. You know, you can donate half your liver to someone and it'll grow back in weeks.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But your heart's not like that. So the heart scars over and it leads to enlargement of the heart, myocarditis, pericarditis. So this is the thought. This is what my friend told me, who's a very intelligent person, I want to name him. But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And a significant number of people that are experiencing these long-term issues from the vaccine is because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. Yeah. Right. But even then, like if you jam it into your arm, it's possible that you could hit a blood vessel.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It takes three minutes for it to go away?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Jesus. And is it a consistent thing or is it a one-time thing, like right after injection or is it something that recurs?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
What is, trend is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken, including like jujitsu guys that really want to get super jacked, they take trend. And I'm like, what is it about the trend? And they apparently get like ultra violent when they're on trend.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
yeah so we could have like a really refined highly effective compounds by now that don't make your heart explode if you just if they just continued probably well i know that one state i think it was oregon essentially decriminalized everything i think they've taken that back now because i think it was like just oregon's a disaster anyway portland in particular like you go there's just
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
needles and drug addicts and it's like open air drug marts everywhere because all the homelessness and the camping on the street the tent situation there is fucking nuts and they're super tolerant progressive people so like overwhelmingly right so they just look at it like in terms of compassion for these people we need to fund them and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless it's really nuts
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So when a society like that decriminalizes everything, people are going to go haywire with meth and whatever else they want to get. But they also did it with steroids. They did it with everything. They essentially decriminalized all drugs. But I think they took, did they take that back, Jamie?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, they're scrutinizing peptides now, which is really crazy. Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect, making possession a crime again. So is it of all things? Did they just change the law totally?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So as the Democratic-controlled legislature passed the recriminalization law in March, overhauling a measure approved by 58% of voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fine.
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The measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services, but the money was slow to get out the door at a time when the fentanyl crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses in health officials. Grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic, we're struggling to stand up the new treatment system state auditors found. Okay.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So they just couldn't keep up with what was – they didn't follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. You can't manufacture it. If you're allowed to possess cocaine, are you buying fentanyl-based cocaine from the cartel?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Could a pharmacy make it and give it away? Have you had some Elon Musk type fucking crazy person?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. So if it's decriminalized and you're allowed to possess it, are you allowed to make it?
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But you can still get the COVID-19 vaccine? Yeah, easily. They'll still tell you to get it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They try to give it to kids. Yeah. Sucked up, man.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's crazy because how many people are dying from ANIVAR?
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Like, what's the numbers? It's like, what is it, like Brazil nut deaths?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. Yeah. But there's not a crisis.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, it's a thing. It's like, why are you passing laws when there's not an issue?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Clearly. I mean, you would have to be the craziest genetic freak of all time to carry that kind of muscle mass at 70 naturally.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. So that's good. And he also is open to the idea of changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is going to be really important to people. There's a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using, and that's really all it is.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
This is the gal? Yeah. Oh, don't do it. Don't. Is that a crowbar? Oh, what the fuck are you doing? Oh, Jesus.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
People who are ignorant to the effects, they're ignorant to all of it, and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies. Yeah.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Okay, but is that also, I think he was mentally ill, right?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Listen, let me just classify my definition of mentally illness as someone who lies. I think it's a mental illness.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I think lying when it's really obvious.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Like, you know, if I try to tell people I'm 6'3", that's an obvious lie. If I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler... That's crazy. You have to be a crazy person. That's a mental illness. If you lie and say you're black and you're actually white and you work for the NAACP, like the Rachel Dolezal lady, kind of mentally ill, right? Yeah. That's a mental ill.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
There's something wrong. You're not thinking clear. And you're doing a thing that we generally universally say is a bad thing, which is lying.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So if you're doing that, you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious you're on steroids. You're 46 years old. You look like a fucking superhero. You're just super jacked. And then gets caught. So now he has to come out and say that he's... Now imagine... You've never been famous, and then all of a sudden you are really, really famous really quickly over the course of a few years.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Like social media, all over TikTok, your profile is elevated to the point where you could say to the regular person's tree, you know who Liver King is. Like, oh, yeah, that roided up guy. Everybody knows who he is. Then the hate because your labs come out and finds out he's not a –
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
load of things this guy's juice to the tits Obviously for a guy like you or guy like me we look at a guy like that like you've got to be on the juice You don't even look remotely normal say everyone says that though, too But a lot of people believe them a lot of people are just ignorant right but the people that knew like yourself 100% you knew that that guy was on steroids right so then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate now
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I don't know what this dude does in terms of social media if he reads comments, but just imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long. Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got, your YouTube, the comments are... Filled with people who hate you. Yeah. Filled with it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Wow, we're the dumbest fucking race. We're so dumb.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And you're just like sitting there stewing in your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions. And your brain probably gets overrun by stress.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, I think it depends on if it's done properly to who.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I think there's people, like this is the argument that Alex Berenson had when he wrote that book. He used to write for the New York Times. He wrote a book called Tell Your Children. And it's all, his argument is that marijuana is not safe for everybody. Right. It's safe for a lot of people. I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time. They don't have any problems.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic from marijuana. Now, is it they were going schizophrenic anyway? And then these high dose marijuana experiences were the tipping point? We don't really know, but we do know there's a correlation. And I've seen it. I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And then all of a sudden they start talking to you about like, you know, like someone's talking to them in their head and there's a chip and Elon Musk is going to have them be the king of Mars. And people lose their shit, man. And they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion. And it's horrible to see, especially to someone that you care about. It's really fucking weird.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Of course it's for Power Slap. That's just as dumb. We are the dumbest motherfuckers that have ever lived. We really are. What do you think about Power Slap? I don't. I don't. I don't get it. I've watched it a ton of times on little Instagram reels. When it shows up, I watch guys get KO'd. I would never advise anybody to do it. I don't care how good you are at getting slapped.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It definitely fucks with your dreams.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You know how I know this? Sober October, when we do Sober October, like, immediately I have these wild dreams, like, super vivid dreams. I'm like, where have these things been? So for the whole month is crazy.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
No, I was doing it for a while with whoop. I was like checking my recovery. I wasn't that, I'm basically a feel person. Like, how do I feel? I'm pretty good at knowing how I feel. And if I feel well rested, if I got eight hours sleep and I feel well rested, I'm not even going to check mine. I don't care. I feel great. Let's go. Let's go. I just like, I think so much of it is mental.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You know, so much of it's like the energy that you have to approach your day is enthusiasm and health. You know, that's where your energy generally comes from.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I think it's also, you know, I've heard people talk about like addiction, you know, like how many people are addicted to their phones? Most of us, right? There's an addiction to checking like health metrics. And there's also an addiction like competing. But I would say that that's an addiction that's fairly positive.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Because you're addicted to these numbers that are correlated with health benefits. So I was like, what is addiction? Okay, if you're a gambling addict and you're losing your house and your children don't have food, okay, that's a detrimental addiction.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But if you're addicted to exercise and you're super fit because of it and you're going to live longer and you're healthy as fuck and you look great. Is that really an addiction? I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. We're talking about the same kind of pattern, but I've been addicted to a lot of things. I've been addicted to martial arts, for sure.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I would be out in public and if people were boring to me, I'd be thinking of combinations. I'd be like talking to them. I wasn't thinking about what they were saying. I was thinking about how it hit them. I think about like if they step like this, then I go down. But what if I step here? I was like working out footwork and I would do it in my head because I was an addict.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But I was addicted to something that was very positive.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. So, well, you can break yourself down with overtraining. You know, I would say that my good friend David Goggins is breaking his body down with overtraining. And he's got no cartilage in his knees, and he's running thousands of miles. He's a complete psychopath. He must be in agony, like every step he takes, and he does not give a fuck. He just keeps going. And it's really crazy to see.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
His doctor looked at his knees and said, and this is from him directly, he said, I don't know how you could walk on these knees. Forget about run thousands of miles.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
They had to cut his knee because it's bone on bone. His bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation. It's like some, I forget what it's called, something wolf syndrome something. So they had to cut his leg, cut his fucking tibia bone and shift it down so that it's flat. So they could run flat bone on bone. That's fucked. Dude, it's madness.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I don't care how good you are at slapping people. For me, the whole idea of fighting is to hit and not get hit. The whole idea is the skill. It's like you impose your skill set. It's like a human chess game. That's the opposite. You're just standing in front of each other, whacking each other in the face. But I will watch. So if people want to do it, that's your jam.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Do you recall that one guy was like 6'2 who did it? Dude, I'm doing a podcast with him in two days. What is it called? I Got My Knees Done? He took his cage down though, didn't he?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Jesus Christ. Look at the size of him. And this is him wheeling himself around. And he was a massive guy, too. Like, look at the size of his fucking arms.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Let's become taller. They're cranking their legs. This is nuts.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
This is him seven months after the lengthening process. I want to see what your legs look like, dude. Why you got sweatpants on? See what those little toothpicks look like.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Change if the learn how to fucking do everything the distance between your shin like your kneecap and your foot if that changes Dramatically like your whole timing is different. I give more a different leverage that everything's different What does it do to your hips?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You know, are you going to wear your hips out earlier? Like your body's probably like has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's insane. Yeah. Well, it's just, you're only stretching one bone, right? Yeah, I have to. Are they doing the tibia as well? You pick. So the tibia and the fibula, rather? Are they doing both of them?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
A couple weeks after he gets his surgery done? No, no.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Jumping after height surgery. Oh, look how skinny his legs are. So he's pretty skinny. So this is him in the beginning. He's trying to do it. I would be terrified to do that.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You know, if you're some giant fat guy. We see one of those guys actually had a fight, a dirty boxing fight with Yoel Romero, who's like the freaks of all freaks.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So for a year, you're walking around with these, like, iron shin plates.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Look at him now. Getting all the bitches now.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Looking all sexy and tall. Now, there was one guy, Jamie, that you pulled up before who had it done, and they showed him doing some athletic drills, like cone drills and coordination drills, and he looked fucking great. He looked like a real athlete, even though he got it done. It didn't look like it was, unless he's just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I would like to know, like, did you have a decrease? I mean, you obviously look insane right now, but what did you used to be able to do?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
That's also one of those things where if you're a social media influencer, you probably want to appear like you're doing all the right things.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I can't walk right. I'm in pain all the time.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. I wonder, like, what kind of an effect that would have on your mechanics. I really do. I would imagine for martial arts, like, you know where everything is. Like, I... Like if I'm throwing a kick, I know exactly where my shin is going to land from the distance that I'm at. Like I've got like this mind. My mind is coordinated for this short body.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He's also super juicy now. He's a heavyweight now. So Yoel is 47. So he was competing under pretty rigorous testing with the UFC as far as like, you know, I'm sure you would disagree. But look at what he looks like now.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I know exactly how much distance I have to cover. If all of a sudden you add six inches to that. Oh, yeah. You're all you're everything is weird.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And also you're sore all the time because you're lifting, which makes you tight.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's a giant problem with pool, you know, because I'm addicted to playing pool. When I lift weights and then play pool, it takes like an hour before I can loosen up and play good. Everything's off. It's like my arm's not listening right. It's all stiff. Like for pool, you want to like, when I'm playing really well, I'm barely holding on to that cue.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's like I'm almost letting the cue do all the work. It's like a very gentle thing. But then when I do a heavy kettlebell session and then I try to play pool, it's like... Everything's just tight and goofy and clunky and you don't feel it. Pool is like a feel game. You're feeling how many rotations you're putting on the ball to get it to move to the next position.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Literally, you're within one or two rotations correctly. And that's the difference between getting into an area where you can make the next shot or not. So it's all feel. Like Fedor Gorsht, who's one of the best players in the world, he changed cues. He changed cue companies. the same weight, the same taper, the same tip millimeter, and he said his shot was about 10% off. He goes six to 10% off.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I was like, what? How? He's like, it's off. It takes a while to recalibrate.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, definitely. This is Yoel now. He smashes this guy. Look at the size of him. This is not a good video, Jamie. Find another video of it. There's the actual video of it from the fight event. That's like someone's camera from side view. But he's huge. Yoel's like 220 now, 225 maybe. He's fucking massive.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I think the key is moderation in lifting in regard to – unless you're on the sauce. If you're doing anything like MMA or any skill-based thing. Because as soon as you're tight and sore, you're not going to learn well. You're not going to have a snap to your punches. You'll be pushing punches. There's a –
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
fluidity like some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless because there's a fluidity to the like if you're landing a kick for example like a hard kick like a spinning back kick like what john jones knocked out stipe miocic with there's a there's a dance going on with your nervous system with all your muscles moving in coordination if you think of how complex that movement is right he's standing like this sideways and he's looking for them and at the right moment
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He pivots on the ball of his foot, turns his heel towards the person, rotates his entire body this way, and shoves his leg forward. Pushing off his back leg with all of his weight. And there's a timing. You don't want to hit him here and you don't want to hit him at the end of it. You want to hit him right in the sweet spot.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So you've got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his rib cage in order for you to get maximum force. And it's all happening in a fraction of a second. It's just... And when it lands, it's like getting hit by a fucking car. But it's a dance. Here, you see him do this. Look at this. Fucking dance, man. Watch this. Look at that turn. Boom! I mean, it's perfection.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And that's also the same kick that Max Holloway landed on Justin Gaethje at the end of the first round. He fucked him up at the end of the first round with a spinning back kick to the face, which is a crazy kick to take in the month. Sick fight, too. Sick fight. But Stipe is one of the toughest guys to ever walk the face of the earth. For him to go down like that... Look at the force.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Look at the force. Look at the force. Boom! I mean, your whole, his rib went in. Like, look how deep it goes in. On impact. Look how fucking deep his heel is. Look at that. That's insane.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Right. The one when he gets front kicked in the face? Yeah. I mean, that is incredible amount of penetration. Look at that. I mean, all of his organs just went into shock right there. And if he was on the other side, it would be even more devastating because that's not even the side where the liver is. That's just general organ trauma, you know? And he just can't take it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He just goes down, and then that's a wrap.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I gotta hope they fight. I wanna know. It's gotta happen, right? Here's a question with Aspinall. What happens with Aspinall in the second round?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You want to talk about a guy who sprints. You want to talk about a guy who has fast twitch. Aspinall's one of the fastest heavyweights. He might be the fastest heavyweight in the history of the sport. I don't think anybody moves like that guy does. At a 250-plus pound frame, his movement's fucking extraordinary. And that's something you have to deal with. That is a crazy ability.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
His ability to move, the way he moves, is so much different than everybody else in the sport. Google... Let's come up with a good Aspinall fight. The Curtis Blades fight was pretty quick, but how about the last one with the Pavlich fight where he won the interim title? That's a good one.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. All of his fights, like all together, he's fought like 10 minutes. Everybody gets blown out. Yeah. But let's watch one of them. The only loss he has was he blew his knee out throwing a kick, which is crazy. He didn't even get hit. He threw a round kick and his ACL exploded. So let's see Marcin Tabura. That's a good one. He's so fucking fast, dude.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
The Andrei Orlovsky fight, you can see that's pretty fast, too. Put the Tabora one. It's the left-hand side. Go above that to the left. Right there.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, when he would weigh 185, this was back when Yo-Yo was fighting, there was actual weigh-ins. So right now there's actual weigh-ins, but it's a ceremonial weigh-in. Like tomorrow at the UFC, I'll host a ceremonial weigh-in. So the fighters weighed in at like 9 o'clock in the morning. The ceremonial weigh-in is at 5 p.m. They've had the entire day to rehydrate.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I just want to show his movement. Look how fast he moves in. I mean, that guy's so fucking fast. Yeah. He moves like a 175-pounder. He doesn't move like a 250-pound guy. Look how quickly he closes the distance, man. His hand speed and full range of skills. Incredible stand-up, knocks guys out with one punch, black belt in jiu-jitsu, really good wrestler. He's everything, and he's young.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's hard to bet against John. It's hard to bet against John. But John's not a real heavyweight. John could make light heavyweight, 100%. He weights 230 right now, maybe a little less than 230. There's no doubt in my mind that if John just changed his diet and went back, he hasn't put that much mass on that you would say 205 is out of reach.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. Look, he had always had the reputation of fucking all the heavyweights up at Jackson Winklejohn. Always. Everybody said, like, when Brendan went down and trained with him, Brendan was a heavyweight. Brendan Schaub, he's like, he fucked me up. He goes, dude, I was, like, top ten in the world as a heavyweight. I thought I was the shit. He fucked me up. He goes, he beat my ass.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And he goes, he beat everybody else's ass, too. All the other heavyweights ragdolled dudes way bigger than him. He's just a freak.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Crazy reach and also just skillful. His skills are so rock solid in every way, shape, or form. His stand-up, his submissions, he's crazy strong. He's got just an insane mind for fighting.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
The problem is the ground. John's so much better on the ground. Like, world's better. And it takes so long to get really good on the ground. And we've seen Pereira get in trouble with guys on the ground that are nowhere near John's level. Nowhere near. John dominates everybody. He took down Daniel Cormier. Daniel Cormier's an Olympic wrestler. I mean, he's a fucking phenomenal wrestler.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And John took him down. And took him down multiple times. It's a different dude, man. This is what we're talking about with genetics, right? There's some guys, they're just blessed. And then with John, it's blessed and his mind. It's not just, it's his personality, his ruthless competitiveness. He's like, he's not going to fucking lose. He's going to find a way to get you.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And he's going to do it clever. He's not trying to take a bunch of punishment and stand and bang. He's not going to point the center of the octagon. Let's go right here. We'll stand right here. Never going to happen with Jon Jones. You're not getting none of that, son. You're getting knees to the gut. You're getting your knees kicked.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You're getting fucking just liced up with elbows where your fucking head's bleeding. He's going to slowly dismantle you and find a way to submit you or punish you, beat you to death on the ground. But can he do that with a guy like Aspinall, who's a legit 255-pound natural who moves like he's 80 pounds lighter? He's a freak, man. Aspinall's a freak.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I've seen a lot of heavyweight, even Francis, who's the greatest, scariest power striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division. No one's scarier than Francis. Francis does not move like Tom Aspinall. Tom Aspinall is significantly faster than every other heavyweight. That's a real problem. That's a real problem.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But John has been used to fighting guys like Alexander Gustafson, guys who are really fast at light heavyweight. So the speed is not going to be as much of an adjustment. Like John's used to really fast people. He fought Lyoto Machida when Machida was in his prime. Machida was a lightning bolt, man. And he caught John a bunch of times.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But then there's the thing of getting caught by Lyoto Machida is not like getting caught by 255-pound Tom Aspinall.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. 14 years and they're debating whether or not he's the pound for pound best fighter alive right now. Islam Makachev currently holds that standing. And I think that is voted amongst experts. I think that's what, you know, air quotes experts. Some of these guys don't know jack shit. There's guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life. And that's a fact.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I want to make sure that what I said was accurate. Who does get to decide what the pound-for-pound list is? I believe it's MMA journalists and experts. Now, there's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys, and I don't want to say any names, but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And they love the sport, and they cover it fairly, and they're very knowledgeable, and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things, but how much do you really know? Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members. See, that's a problem. Media members were asked to vote on who they feel are the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound for pound.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
A fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC. Now, this is not to disparage any of these media people. Like I said, I love them. I'm friends with a lot of them. They're great guys. There's no way you... absolutely understand someone's ability, especially when you're talking about pound for pound, unless you've done martial arts.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I just don't think, I can see, like when John threw that kick, I see that kick and I go, that was beautiful. That was beautiful. Because I know how a kick, I know what's supposed to happen. You're just guessing. You're guessing on what's supposed, you've never done that on somebody. If you've never done that, you don't know how beautiful that is. You don't really get it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
How am I bigger than you? This defies all known laws of physics and gravity. It doesn't make any sense. He was massive. These enormous traps. He was one of the rare guys that when he would suck weight, he didn't look smaller. He still looked fucking huge, man.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
You kind of get it, but you get it the way I get flying a plane. I never flew a plane. I kind of see they pull the lever. That guy did a great job flying that plane. Look how he landed. Perfect. I don't know what's really going on. But when it comes to martial arts, I know what's really going on. And when you look at a guy like Jon Jones...
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I don't think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument. The way I like to look at it, I say, who had the highest expression of martial arts excellence during their prime? I don't mean the entire career. I don't mean now. I mean when they were hot, like when Anderson Silva was hot. How good was that? Was that better than anything that ever existed? Because I think it might have been.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And that's what I look at when I look at pound for pound best. So the argument is John Jones has had some really close fights. He's had split decision fights that he won. A lot of people thought that some of his fights, like the Dominic Reyes fight.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes. Easily. And I would not have been mad at that. And, you know, I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight. But there's those 10-9 rounds that are like, I don't know, you could say 10-9 John or 10-9 Dominic, and either way, you've lost the title or you've won the title back. You know, like, it's real weird.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah. I don't... I just follow... I mean, I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram. I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing, but when someone says something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram, I just immediately follow. Like, let's see. Let's see if this will be fun. But the thing about Twitter or X is that, like...
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Makachev is so fucking good. He's so fucking good that he head kicked Alexander Volkanovsky in the rematch. He submits everybody, submitted Dustin Poirier. He's a fucking monster. When he gets guys on the ground, he just crushes them. And you could argue that he's dealing with a deeper talent pool. So his weight class is, in my opinion, the most talent-rich weight pool in the sport, 155 pounds.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
155 pounds is filled with assassins. 205 pounds is not. 265 is definitely not. It's the giant difference.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Imagine, though, if Pereira was coming up when Jon Jones was the champion. That would be exciting. That would be exciting. Pereira's a different cat, man. Did you hear what Mark Goddard said to me in the fight after he fought Khalil Rountree? Mark Goddard came up to me and goes, mate, the sound it makes when he hits them is ungodly. He goes, I've been doing this for 20 years.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He goes, the sound he makes is just different. It's ungodly. He just kept saying that. He wanted to make a point to say this to me. He came up to me like immediately when I got into the octagon. He's like, the sound is ungodly. His power is so different. Do you know like Francis hit that punch pad and he got like 127 or whatever? Pereira got 190.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Do you know how crazy that is? With a kick, the highest I got was like 157. Some guy got like 190 with a kick. We're pretty impressed. I think some guy might have broken 200 with a kick. Some Muay Thai guy. Pereira did 190 with a punch. with a punch. And it was after training. He just wallops this fucking thing.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
There's no tell. And he doesn't have to hit you full power. Because he has so much power, like those leg kicks that he fucks everybody with, there's no turn of the hips at all. He's just slapping you, and all of a sudden you can't walk well. And then he's marching you down, and it just takes one shot. His power is so crazy. Different than anybody else's. Because everybody gets hit on the chin.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But when you get hit on the chin by that guy, it's like you can't get hit. You get hit. It's like everything is just like, you're like, what the fuck? You can see it in their face.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Dominated two divisions. And the only reason why he didn't stay at light heavyweight or middleweight, rather, he's literally killing himself to get to 185. Yeah. And I think that likely contributed to the KO, too. Adesanya landed a perfect right hand. That right hand is going to fuck him up every day of the week, no matter what you weigh. It's just perfect.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So this guy that he's fighting is a slap fight guy. And look at the size of Yoel now.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And the timing, the way he did it, like leaning up against the cage and just looked for the opening and just caught him coming in, bang, dropped him, hit him with a left hook, put the arrows into him when he's down. That KO was perfect. But you got to wonder, like, how much of his inability, like, he went completely unconscious. How much of that is because of the drain, the dehydration?
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue. Yeah. Oh, some impact for sure. Yeah. Fighters always say that it impacts their ability to take a punch. They talk about it, like, openly. Like, I took punches better when I went up to 55. Like a good example is Oliveira. Oliveira was like notorious for kind of like folding at 45.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He goes up to 55 and he becomes unstoppable.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He's so big that he was getting – making 185 and then fighting at 226.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yes. I think he had the most aggressive weight cut. Now it's pretty marginal. Now I think he gets into the low 220s, like 222, and then he cuts 15. Not that bad for a big guy with a lot of muscle.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Yeah, he's less lean. He's eating whatever he wants, but he's still got a six pack. But he's fucking massive, dude.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Like, that's the guy who walked down Yoel Romero. And we're like, oh my God, Yoel Romero met a bigger freak than him. Because regardless of whether or not you think Costa's juicy, that guy's got extraordinary genetics. You know, I mean, that's why he's such a beautiful man. Perfect features, like incredible frame. His frame's incredible.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And whether or not he's juicy, the reality is the guy has insane genetics and he was a fucking warrior, especially in that Yoel Romero fight. Yoel's terrifying to everybody. And Costa just walked him down and beat his ass. And that was not a close fight. It was primarily a standup fight, which is where Yoel's the most scary. And Costa was in no danger. He beat the shit out of Yoel Romero.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
But then he fought a guy who was just way more slick. And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond. He just... He was making... He was, what he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren't as skillful as Adesanya. But that strategy, Adesanya was easily exploiting.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He was like exploiting with distance and with feints and distant management and chopping at the legs and just, he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round. He was realizing, I can't touch this guy and he keeps hitting me. And when he would touch Izzy, Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he'd block the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, I think this is Mike Perry's thing. I think he's putting this together. He's involved with it in some way, shape, or form. So Yoel is just basically like toying with this guy. This guy has literally no business, no disrespect to the man, but no business in the ring with this world-class athlete.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance. And it was just – he was too good. That's Izzy in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain. And at that moment, he fought the best Israel Adesanya that's ever been. And that's like we were talking about, like, how good does a guy compete in that one – this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just – it is prime.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
And I think that was what it was. That was Izzy in his prime, which is one of the greatest fighters of all time, against Paulo Costa, who just didn't have the answers to that. And once you've been bested like that, and a guy dry humps you when you're down, he beats your ass, TKOs you, and then humps you. You're just like, I thought I was the man.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
So then he has all these doubts, and then he goes into the next fights. He missed weight for one fight and fought at 205. Remember when he fought, who the fuck did he fight? God damn it, I can't. Marvin Vittori. He fought Marvin Vittori, and they were supposed to be fighting at 185, and they fought at like 205, and he still looked like he was out of shape.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
He looked like he was mentally all fucked up from that fight.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's crazy. I'd like to see him get back into form, but I don't know if he can anymore. I don't know if you're psychologically the same guy.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Oh, yeah. I was thinking, what does CGI stand for? Yeah, yeah, I watched it. Yeah, I watched it.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
Well, I think it's great that these guys are getting a lot of money. I think that's awesome. I think it's kind of crazy they decided to compete against Abu Dhabi on the same weekend. I thought that was kind of nuts. But I guess if you want to be controversial, and Craig is certainly controversial, and you want to get a lot of attention, it got a lot of attention. And then, of course, the money.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
I mean, he came into the studio with $3 million in cash. Was it three? Yeah, wasn't it? It was $1 million? Oh, it was $1 million. Okay. But even that. But they gave out $3 billion, right? So three different divisions got $1 million. So he brought in $1 million in a duffel bag, which I've never seen that before. It's crazy to look at.
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#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
It's not easy to get. You know, it's fun. Craig's fun. He's a funny guy. He's fucking hilarious. He's the most hilarious guy in jiu-jitsu. He's, like, really silly. He's very self-deprecating. And he's super skillful. I mean, his jiu-jitsu is, like, second best in the world. Like, he always talks about it. He named his team the B team. He's not going to beat Gordon. You know, Gordon is a freak.
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And Gordon is, like, a real psychopath. Like, Gordon trains every day of the week. Gordon versus Nicky Rod. Who wins? Gordon. No question? Yeah, Gordon's better. He's just better. Nicky Rod might get to Gordon's level one day. But if they're not training together, I don't know if he will. I don't know if he's training with... Look, he's beat him every time they faced him.
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Nicky did catch him in a footlock, but Gordon's like, God, break my foot. I'm still going to win. And he submitted him easily in Abu Dhabi. And when they had their second match, Gordon was alleging he was greasy. Like he was difficult to get a hold of and that's been something that people have said about Nikki before But it might be it's oily food, huh? Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know what's going on, but I know guys did that I know guys would take baths. This was in the early days like the pride days and They would lay in a bathtub filled with baby oil. So they would lay in this bathtub with water and, like, fucking gallons of, like, P. Diddy style. P. Diddy style fucking, like, just supplies of baby oil in that water. And they'd bathe in it.
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He gets $15. Like, watch how he hops up in the air before he decides to go. What is that about? He just decides to, like, hop in the air. He's like, enough. Let me end this. He just decides it's time to end it. Oh, my God. He's fucking huge, dude. Look at his back. Look at his back. That guy used to weigh 185. And, by the way, see the back of his neck? He has a fully fused neck.
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Then they would wash themselves off, dry themselves off. And then to the touch, their skin would not feel like oil at all until they started sweating. And then when they started sweating, they would be like a fish. You just couldn't grab them.
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Yeah, that was the thing that it was alleged that certain strikers from Brazil used to do before they fought. And guys just could not get a hold of them. They would just be so slippery. You couldn't take them down. If you take them down, you couldn't hold them down. You just slip right out of your hands like a bar of soap.
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The problem is, what I'm saying, that you could oil your skin up and then wash it, and it would still be in your pores. And you wouldn't even be able to detect. As long as you were dry, they would rub you with a cloth or something. Nope, there's nothing on his skin. Unless they have baby oil detection wipes that you then send to a laboratory to find out if this person put baby oil on.
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So are you never allowed to put baby oil on or are you only allowed to put baby oil on until the week of the fight? Like when are you going to say no baby oil ever for a person? What if they like baby oil? What if they like cocoa butter? So it's weird. And it's weird. And so the solution to that is everybody has to wear long sleeve rash guards and spats. That's the solution.
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And that's what they should do. So the best way to stop these greasers is you put them in leggings. Leggings and tights. Simple.
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I know guys greased. 100%, I can tell you, 100% guys greased. Even like between rounds, the two. I know one guy who didn't just grease. He put Vicks VapoRub all over his chest. Jesus. And then he would grab guys and pull their head into his chest and... So you'd be getting sweat and Vicks VapoRub in your eyes, and he'd be kneeing you in the face. That's fucking crazy, dude. Crazy.
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Well, when they weren't testing for things, dudes did a lot of dirty shit.
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I heard another story. I can't substantiate. I will say no names. But a guy allegedly... gave blood to make weight.
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So he didn't give blood, but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so that he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body probably, you know, resupplied itself with a significant amount of it, depending on how much time it is between the fact they withdraw the blood. I don't know how much time.
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But you could think about, like, how much weight blood is. Yeah. And if you can get, like... How much can you take while you're still conscious? I don't know.
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But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and reproliferate with blood and then go back into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood, totally undetectable, and you made weight with blood cutting.
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Well, there's probably multiple factors where you're not allowed to get IVs, and that might be one of them.
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Right. Plastics in your bloodstream. Would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to like a bag?
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Yeah. You can freeze your blood and put it back in.
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Whoa. Yeah. Like thawed out, obviously. But how weird is that?
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The things people do just to get a little bit of an advantage.
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If he wasn't 36 when he entered into the UFC, that's how old he was when he first started fighting. He was already past his professional prime when he first started fighting in the UFC. If he had gotten into MMA when he was 20, probably nobody would have ever beaten him. He's the freak of all freaks. When it comes to athletic specimens, he's the freak.
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Right. So the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV.
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Oh, right. So the biological passport.
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But it is illegal, right? So you'd have to have a nurse that can keep their mouth shut.
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Yeah. And if you had a family member who's a phlebotomist and they could hook that up.
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Yeah. Yeah. What are the other different ways that they can get it? Like how rock solid is like, let's forget about drug sport, what they have now, but the USADA protocol that they were using before, what are the best ways to get around that?
The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers Podcast
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Andy, you didn't have anything to add. We were talking about spirited ladies. I was just going to add, have a toast on us. I just thought you know something about spirits and I don't know. I thought Beetlejuice's wife would have been pretty obvious. I am now recording.
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Well, because it didn't play with the trope of hay. It just started.
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I very much enjoyed the episodes I missed.
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Mm-hmm. And mother-lover sandwiches.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just the roof deck at, what floor is that on? 12th floor? Somewhere around there. We shot up there all the time. It's just in 30 Rock.
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And we shot up there all the time. Yeah. Because it's all manicured. It's a beautiful garden, yet there's no entrance. Yeah.
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Pretty cool office. Who crawls out of their window?
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Hey, we got Andy in here doing a rocket line.
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Oh, you should watch it. I just watched it before this we got on because I'm responsible. And I went through the emotions of going, oh, this is way more clever and fun than I remembered. I'm enjoying this too. Oh, this is long and more boring than I remembered. I'm not enjoying this. Yeah. And it just kind of oscillated between those two emotions over and over.
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But there was clever twists in the beginning that are new. Like, okay, because obviously it's doing punch you before eating and Andy popping into frame. But just like punch you before eating is seeing how much juice you can squeeze out of one premise doing variations with the forte thing. And now that the audience knows the game of punching, what's he going to do?
The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers Podcast
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In the same way, it was like, all right, these are extreme challenges. So then they start becoming absurd ones like holding a chair down or balancing a hat on your head. And so it's going in this direction of very cleverly like deconstructing the idea of these challenges. And then it kind of abandons it into other territories that are not nearly as good.
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But is this again all because it's the lead up to the election and we know we're not the hot shit during election season and Seth's taking the front seat. And so we're like in the back going like, just like, go ahead, drive the car, mister. Yeah, like the news is going to be all about the cold open and the other thing that Seth does. So we're filler in these episodes.
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I think we talked about this a few weeks ago, but it's so funny because if I think about it now, I'd be like, no, it means more people are watching the show. You should try to make something even more incredible. But it just felt to us like, eh, let them have their show for a little bit. I'm back.
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It sounded like the people had their bands, like everyone had come with their own band. Akiva, exactement. It was amazing. Exactement. Exactement.
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I love when you're French. I love it when you're French.
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You just left it on the floor and I kept leaving big.
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Wow, that's what the title... Can we title this episode Mark Wahlberg Talks to Animals?
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Someone says it to Mark Wahlberg in the film Mile 22. Oh. So he's never said it in something. But then it was shocking because it's a very serious movie. And then another character kind of says it as a fuck you to Mark in the movie. And it was in the trailer.
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I bought it up in Marin at the Skywalker Ranch.
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And Mark Wahlberg talks to animals more than makes up for it. The audience isn't going like, they're just looking for whatever Andy's doing next. And so you had actually one of your biggest hits that week. So you nailed it. Sure.
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I'm assuming the weatherman inadvertently drew something on the screen, you know?
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So the weekend updates, though, in general, Thursdays, how many of those did you have to do, Seth? I think we did two or three. And they'd be during show weeks.
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Seth, I had a correction listening, or rather an omission I noted. Which is, Andy, you were talking about the SNL 50th after party and you recounted kind of like a botched interaction with Robin, the singer, and Beck, the singer.
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It was a vote of confidence to be like, we want more SNL, even not on a Saturday.
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Yeah, on Thursday nights, which is historically that's NBC's big night.
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You used to have cheers. Yeah, that was a cheers. Taxi. Family ties. The Cosby Show.
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Whoa, Beetlejuice is here.
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Ever heard of any of them, Andy?
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It was kind of like we were attempting something and then we never quite got to figure out what it was.
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You did a joke that was like a fake mean joke of like, hey, we're in the middle of a conversation and you think Robin might have taken you seriously and then you never saw her again to like... clarify and maybe clean it up a bit to clean it up.
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I wish Andy was on here right now because he eats dried mangoes every morning for reals. Barvin, do you like dried mangoes? Well, Barvin wanted to ask Seth, so it sounds to me like you like a de mango. Oh, wow. But it sounds like with Thrive Market, you can have a de mango. Yeah.
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But what you didn't even, and I kept waiting for you to mention that we have a song that we did. It is Beck's song featuring Robin and the Lonely Island. That's right. And it's from the Lego Movie sequel, the Lego Movie 2. And it's the end credits song called Super Cool.
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So I kept waiting for you to be like, I don't know. It's a Lego 2 song reunion. Something. It felt weird to tell the whole story.
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Yeah. So it was rare and we are in a weird run. But we did jam the vote during the Thursday one as well. And it's all serviceable.
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He's trying so hard to do something smart, finally. And he's got this whole premise that he's going to teach people to not be indifferent because when the decision's made for you, maybe you're not happy with how it works out. So he's got it all worked out.
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I like enjoying the high, but it's scary because you know the low is coming. It's really scary.
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I like when it expanded to Yoram as the boom operator. Yep.
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I agree that part of the throwing up that bummed me out more than I thought it would is that it feels real.
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Usually when we do throw up or when Andy does throw up, no, I don't want to say we, it's an Andy thing. The fun is the rig and how fake it is and like the silliness of everything. And this, because we were on the street and he would just put some gross shit in his mouth, it felt real. Oh, yeah. So it was way grosser.
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There's so many other things.
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Also, you're going to talk about the very end, the wig line. That might also be my favorite.
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Yeah, that the whole thing was pointless. That's great.
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Milky Way dark minis. Ugh, you know what was in there.
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There were six shorts never aired. And the ones we've already covered are Lobster Claw and Handlebar, just to remind us of these things that happened. Gawker Hopefuls. And then The Sun's Day Off. And, you know, the rest will come up when they come up.
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Although Tudor's not on that list.
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Boy, he's just bringing it back to that. This is wild.
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All the great spirited women like Beetlejuice's wife. Beetlejuice is back. Who to me is the most spirited woman is what I was expecting Andy to say every time I left a gap for it. She's a bit of a hell cat.
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I really enjoyed watching it. I had to watch it in a few different goes at it, but I watched some live and then made up for it and I've seen every ounce. The musical show at Radio City, much like Questlove's musical doc, there was something about the music show that felt very magical.
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even at home when you have pairings like Robin and David Byrne, that in that moment I felt the feeling, I hope it was in the room of when you heard the opening synth line of Dancing On My Own that you're like, ''Oh my God, I didn't think I'd ever see this song live.'' It feels subversively cool.
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But also that song's a super smash hit, but it's also somewhere a sleeper hit because it never was a mainstream hit, even though I bet you if you rack up the amount of views and the amount of listens or whatever, I bet you it's up there with big, big hits. But it's not something that ever had a single moment. Right, right.
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So I think everybody, nobody got a chance to get sick of it because it was never a radio hit, never outwore its welcome. And it's just amazing forever. So I don't know. I thought that was special. Did it feel special there? Yes.
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Yes. For the music side, they do that on the Grammys a lot, right? Where they pair an older act with a younger act. But usually then they do a different version of the song or something, or maybe they've just done it too much. I don't know. These felt more organic in the mashups to me in a way that felt musically satisfying in a way that sometimes those don't. Agreed.
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And then, yeah, and then the 50th show, I was really glad I had been at the 40th so I could picture it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I felt like a lot of times watching it like I was there because I was like, I know exactly how it feels right now to be there. Right. And so the FOMO wasn't as bad as I worried it would be because of that.
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And it's a blend of it's the most incredible thing ever, but then every moment is a little bit overwhelming and you're kind of unsure where to put yourself. Yeah. Oh, I'm talking to my friends, but I see my friends all the time. Should I be talking to somebody that I don't see all the time?
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And then like, oh, it's so much noise. I just want to go away into like how you guys said you went to a over to your dressing room next door and just had a nice drink. And that's a drink you could have next week. But it felt special in that moment because you had gone somewhere quiet when all the noise is outside. Yeah.
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And I kind of, I understood from afar. I'm like, yep. But I, yeah. Anyways, I enjoyed watching it. I told Andy the spade line during the musical, you know, the, I got a feel for it was just clearly jumped out at me as like, that was it.
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There were other ones I texted Andy, but I'm blanking on what they were.
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Everything else is really good and expertly made by people that are professional, but they're also servicing what they're supposed to be servicing. And this was a moment that you haven't seen before and that isn't servicing anything, but it's inspired. It was an inspired moment. Yeah. Joste.
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Like, I'm not needed here. And I got a feel for it. It's perfect.
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They wouldn't have remembered, I don't think. Beck would have remembered. The reason you didn't remember right away is because it's one of the rare things we did where somebody else was in charge. Yeah. Like it was Beck's song. And then he came to us being like, can you write a bunch of verses? And so we did those on our own and sent them to him.
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That's what I'm saying. He called up Robin. She was in Sweden. She added her vocals. I don't think they were in a room together. And he was in charge of the whole thing. So he's the only one that would remember.
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And it was me and Keith. I think we did a good job. I'm proud of that song. I think that our verses are very funny. I agree. I really like the end credits raps.
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And for them to go, oh, right. Yeah.
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Post-50th. I have another housekeeping thing if you're ready for it, Seth. Oh, please. I'm ready too. Okay. This is from the Space Olympics episode. Okay. There was some insistence of Andy that I didn't like it and I kept having to say, no, I kind of did like it. You're putting words in my mouth. Right. Blah, blah, blah.
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He's like, if it's not so good, why is it Phil Lord and Chris Miller's favorite short?
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Oh, right. There you go. We could play a clip even from that episode.
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I'm not even saying it's bad. I'm saying maybe there's a magic to it. I think he would like it if it was twice as fast. Yeah. I don't dislike it. It's just a little middling to me. I think that that gives it anarchy. And that's why maybe Phil and Chris, maybe what's appealing to them about it is that there's a sense of anarchy to it, I think.
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This is Phil Lord when asked for that voice note.
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I feel like I played it for them and they really liked it. I feel like you might be right, and he just can't remember. In any case, just to be fair, a little while later, Phil did watch, and then he sent this.
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Why didn't you? So you were sort of right. Tell me... You tell me.
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Oh, God. That was the first time Andy's heard a Lorne impression. He's like, whoa, that sounded like him. That was neat. Fucking wild.
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I didn't know you could do that. How do you make your voice sound like a different voice?
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There's three shorts that we're trying to cover today. And what they all have in common is that they're totally forgettable.
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And what's interesting about it is that they're forgettable in a way. We've had very few this forgettable. Like we've had bad ones. But they all kind of hold a special place in my memory in different ways of the way they did or didn't work. These three actually just disappeared from my memory.
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And maybe it's because we had been at the show long enough that we were starting to be in a rhythm where every short wasn't so special. Or maybe there's just some special thing about these shorts that make them absolutely forgettable.
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I mean, I'm going to say something positive, which is that for how many things we did on the show and we're covering almost every single one, most of them age really well, which for comedy, you'd expect to have more things not aging well than we have. So far, at least. Yeah, I don't know what's coming up. So I think we're owed this one.
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My question is... But right now, I'm 20 years old, and I work for my dad. I'm working for a glass company. I make $12 an hour, and at the moment, I have almost $7,000 in my personal checking account. My question is, I want to know what I can do to expand that amount besides just saving up, working an 8 to 5.
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Yes, I've thought about that before. It's just I actually really like the work that I'm doing with my dad. I like doing this hands-on work, so I don't really plan on quitting this job.
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I would like to be making $14 an hour. Okay. Have you talked to Pops?
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No, I haven't, and the reason why is because I've been working here for a year. When I first got on, I was getting paid $10 an hour under the table, so I wasn't getting anything taken out of my check or anything.
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My answer is it's a rather more selfish answer because I don't really have to pay for a lot of things right now. Right now I'm living with my parents and the only things I have to pay for is just insurance on the car, which is not a lot a month, and then a phone bill. So what do you want the money for? That's why I want more money.
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It's just I like... uh with what i have right now i've never seen these numbers before yeah and i just want to have more of it it's really just a greedy reason that's not greedy it's not greedy you it's you feel that because to your point it's the first time you're what did how old are you I'm 20.
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If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
Hi, Dave. Been a big fan for a long time. Thanks. I'm great. Thank you. The reason I'm calling today is my wife would like to quit her job and stay home with the kids. About 10 years ago, we built a house on the family farm, which I now run. We've got a little over $2,000 a month mortgage. And I'm just afraid if she quits, we're barely going to be able to pay all the bills.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
We also have three children. The two older ones are both in Catholic school because we didn't want them in the public schools here locally.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
Well, I also work full-time off the farm.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
So my take-home pay from the job is a little north of $100,000. It's about $5,200 a month take-home.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
Well, there's also 401K and health insurance.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
No. All but my car, which is a $5,000 loan, I drive it for work. That's the only thing.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
I'd have to check. I didn't look today. So we have $3,000 or $4,000 in savings. The farm accounts, we make some money on it. If we have trouble, we have some money.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
Well, it varies year to year. I know.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
Yeah. Yeah. The commodity prices went to half price this year from last. I haven't got everything back from the crops.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
This year, it's probably going to be closer to $10,000 to $15,000.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
Well, $40,000 to $50,000. Well, except $20,000.
The Ramsey Show
If You Want To Be a Millionaire, Do What Millionaires Do
We have a budget. We keep a spreadsheet.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Yeah, that was my tester to see if she was willing to put in some effort because I want to make things work. But if I'm expected to take 100% of the financial... burden for the next 50 years. I don't know if I can handle that.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
She's had to retake a lot of classes where she's... Failed? Failed. Says she wants to get into, like, a master's, PhD program. Yikes, dude.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Uh, so that's my next step was to, to allow her some time to get a job. And if she wasn't willing to work, you know, 15, 20 hours a week, it was kind of the end.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Hi. Thanks for taking my call today.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
So my question is kind of regarding my girlfriend and her, her desire to, to work or not to work really. Um, Give you guys a little bit of background. So she's 26, still in college, working on her bachelor's degree.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
And her parents have a deal with all of their kids that as long as they're in school, they'll pay for all of their college and all of their living expenses until they either graduate or get married. That's a wild situation.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
So she did take an 18-month service mission for her church, but other than that, she's been full-time school through summer. And just getting a bachelor's still.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Nope, this is just her bachelor's degree.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
That's kind of my fear. So she has two older brothers in the same situation who are 31 and 29. And they're still in school? Yeah, also still in school, never worked.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
No, not at this particular moment.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
So that's kind of where I didn't know how bad the situation was. I didn't know their work history or anything. Just recently found out that none of them have worked. Talked to her about that. And we've been dating a year. So we started talking about marriage and finances. And this is when it all started to come up of, okay, what's the plan? And what's her plan?
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
And for now, it sounds like as soon as she gets married, her Either me or a future husband is taking care of all expenses while she finishes school.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Yeah, I've been honest with her, and that's why I reached out to you guys because we were talking about this. And I work full-time. I have a very stable job and been doing that for a while, debt-free, kind of a whole nine yards there. But I asked her to get a part-time job during the summer next semester to kind of get some financial freedom away from her parents.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
Yeah, and we've talked about it. One thing to watch, she's always the one to have a barn or a yard, and we have a few acres so we can make that happen, I guess, but trying to see how lavish, I guess, we want to have a barn and pasture and everything in the backyard. Um, so that's the one thing we talked about wanting, you know, to have in the next five years, potentially.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
Hey, Dave, thanks for having me. Sure, what's up? So what's up is my current situation. I'm set to be adhering to my dad's business over the next 12 months. Right now, I work with them in the same business, so it's not like it's anything new as far as learning too much other than having a lot more payroll expenses. But my main question is really, is this going to be a big change of income for me?
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
It'll be roughly tripling my income or so. I'll make about... $150 right now and I'll be making $450 to $550 or so over the next year. And there's going to be expenses in there, but it'll still be a lot of extra net income. So my question is really, I don't know exactly what I should be doing with that extra income.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
Obviously, you know, I might want to have some more expenses with marketing or something, but I, of course, want to be in a better financial position and not get too ahead of myself and, you know, just throw money away. So trying to get some insight on what to do with that and trying to play my cards the best way I can.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
No, I'm sorry. He's retiring. So he's been in the, we have an insurance agency together. I've been working with him the past 10 years and he's looking at retiring sometime between the end of this year and beginning of next year, within the next 12 months. So he'll be giving the business to me. So I'll be inheriting his book of business, you know, the whole agency. So are you buying him out?
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
I'm not. No, he is giving it to me. I've offered to give him something in the past, actually, but he doesn't want to take my money, so that's good.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
We have, it'll be about four employees that we pay.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
He has, and he's done some, um, he's done some development. He's built a few on development projects, um, or the past few years. And so that's really his retirement egg right there. And then plus whatever he's had from insurance over the years. Okay. All right.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
Yeah. So he'll be fine without anything here. He's totally good.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
Right, correct. I've had a, you know, my history, I've always lived pretty comfortably, but, you know, whenever I do get more money, I tend to spend it on things that are stupid and, you know, try to, you know, not spend more than I have. I'm not in debt necessarily, but not having a whole bunch of extra savings coming in. I'm 33. Are you married? I am married, one kid.
The Ramsey Show
If You're Intentional With Money, You Can Win With Money
Well, and the thing is, you know, talking about some of the stupid things, you know, and maybe not stupid things is not the right word, but we bought a house in the past two years. That was certainly stretching our income. So a big portion of what we make right now goes to, you know, paying the mortgage. Okay.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
I just got out of the service. I'm trying to get my financial setting in. I'm looking at buying a home and getting into the real estate business.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
So I guess I just have, I'm unsure of what the steps should be. So I went from I'm going to do 20 years in the service to getting irreversibly injured. And now I'm just looking at a life where I don't have to work for anybody else. And I just kind of live a life that I want to live. So I'm looking at it into real estate and going that route.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
Either buying and selling houses or just buying homes and then renting them out.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
No, ma'am. I'm currently, I just got out March 5th.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
I am fully disabled. I'm making about $48,000 a year tax-free.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
Um, my back is destroyed. Long story short, they told me that I will just have to learn to live with the pain. It doesn't get better. I will.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
That's the my back isn't so bad that I can't, you know, do basic lawn work or working on places. I also come from a lower middle caste family, but a working family nonetheless.
The Ramsey Show
You Can Move From Family Drama to Financial Peace
So my only thoughts were with my home loan, I'm sorry, with the VA home loan, there's a lot of benefits that come with it.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Hey, George and Dr. John, thanks for having me on the show. Sure. I appreciate it. Yeah, what's your question? So, getting right to it. So, basically, I used to have life insurance through work. It was group term life insurance. But since I started following the baby steps that Dave lays out, I... wanted to get, um, term life insurance independent of my work. Smart.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Um, so I went through Xander as my broker and I, I got approved for a policy. Uh, actually I already signed for it, but I'm still within the grace period. I can still get back. Um, but the question is, um, So my life insurance policy to work was the premium was 10 50 a month, $10 and 50 cents. Um, my premium, uh, for the policy that I got through Xander, um, is, uh, $120 a month.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
Um, and that's just due to my, uh, Technically, my BMI qualifies me as underweight, even though my PCP isn't concerned about it like it's a normal weight for me. So my question was, due to the increase in premium, is the change from my life insurance through work to the other policy really worth it?
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
So the $1050,000 was a $210,000 buy-up, but my employer actually covered an additional $271,000. So what's that? $481,000 total? Yes, sir.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
So it's a 20-year term, $1.25 million policy with the child rider.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
So my income, my wife is staying at home with her daughter. So my income from my primary job is... 90, right in the ballpark of 93,000 annually. Perfect. And then I have a side gig that boosts me up to like maybe 110 annually.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
That's very true. My only hesitation was so... So when I first applied for the policy, I chose the preferred plus health class just because my cholesterol, my blood pressure, everything was in line with that health class. Then in that premium was like 20 bucks a month, which was kind of in line with what I was used to paying.
The Ramsey Show
Your Life Is More Than Just a Set of Numbers
But then the underwriters took a look at my BMI and they bumped me down to standard plus and that's what got you a little higher.
The Viall Files
E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Should we just get to the... I mean, I feel like we can bounce around, of course, but... Well, I'm trying to get it in my head because... Well, let's get to the... It kind of did come out of nowhere on the show. The bomb of him having children. There she is.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
So I was going to say, I just remember at I think it was the reveal when he was like, people are going to start coming out of the woodworks and saying stuff about us. Did that. So.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And well, that does give context because I'm glad to know that you were the one because it was it came very random of him being like, just so you know, people are going to start saying crazy shit about me. And it was like, well, the question wasn't in there. I'm glad.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Thank you for coming. We're so excited.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Did she only want him involved once her ex-wife left?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Who do you think put it out for the world to see? Because it came from the grandma. You think it was? No, it did.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Well, I do buy things like for myself sometimes. Double stuff or regular? I like thins.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Oh, wow. I like thins because I don't really love the cream.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
No, it's people. It's a whole new world. People spread rumors and they're like, it's called journalism. It's law.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
I think people want to paint him to be this stereotypical man who's like a piece of shit. And it's like, sorry, that's just not who he is today.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
I want to jump a little bit to your relationship with your father.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
You kind of open up on wedding day when you're talking to your grandma and you're talking to your mom and you're saying, like, I took certain things from your relationships. And then there's certain things that I was like, I absolutely don't want this for my relationship. What was your relationship like with your dad growing up? Was he around?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Enjoying your own time. I feel like that is peak happiness when you can like not talk to anyone. I think most people would consider it like, oh, I'm lonely or oh, I feel alone. It's like, no, I'm enjoying myself so much. Yeah, like a bowl of pasta and a glass of red wine on Friday.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Are you performing? He's talking about rain and clouds.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Your story resonates so much with like the way that I grew up. I had a very absent father who, you know, now it's me who puts in the effort to have him a part of my life. And it's very much like me and my siblings have all agreed he's not the dad role. He doesn't know how to play the dad role. But once you accept that he just doesn't have the dad in him, then like he's good. He's great.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Like it's when you expect him to not do dad things. Yeah.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
I know you said like one of your biggest fears is giving birth. And as someone who gave birth eight months ago, it was the most magical, amazing thing ever. Yes. And I know a lot of women like to like, It's scary. It's scary. Don't do it. It's awful. It's scary. It's not. It's truly, like, epidural, of course. But, like, it was magical.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Truly. You, like, black out and you forget everything. But it's, like, a rush of feelings that you will never experience in any other part of life or doing anything else. It's truly magical. Wow.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Yeah, I did just want to throw that out there.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Because now it feels like it's more damage has been done because of what the internet is spewing than what you could have just said.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Did you feel like the trust between you and Tyler was broken at that moment? It wasn't broken, but it was tainted. Okay.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
You seem very emotionally brilliant. I mean, like, does that do you think that comes from your mom? I mean, how do you how how are you like people?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
So he's gone and you're still explaining your feelings.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
It's also, I feel like, focusing on what you have in common and then the stuff that you don't have in common. It's more of like an excitement to show each other what you don't have in common. You know, like Nick loves showing me these older movies that came out when he was a kid. And it's like I wasn't even a thought in my mother's head.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
And it's like something that we enjoy rather than him being like, oh, God, you weren't even a thought when this movie came out. You know, it's more like, oh, I really want to show you. So I feel like it's like focusing on the stuff that you have in common and enjoying the things that you don't have in common.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Well, there was Ramses and then Steven with the kinks and the lying. And then Tim with the like, you took a nap. I never want to see your face again.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Remember when he looked in the camera? Yeah, like, what the hell? And was like, I'll probably never, what did he say? I'll never live this down.
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
What were your past relationships like prior to coming on the show?
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E836 - Going Deeper with Love Is Blind’s Ashley
Well, I guess going from all of that, how did it feel to have someone like Tyler express his love to you the way that he did? I mean, I feel like one of his lines that America fell in love with was like, I will protect you. I will make you feel safe. You make me feel safe. Like, I love the fuck out of you. Like just the way he expressed that to you. How did that make you feel?
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Yes, of course. She's like, Jesus Christ.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
I don't know if I can tell you.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Yeah.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Mm hmm.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Mm hmm.
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E940 - Mormon Wives Finale, Maks and Peta, JoJo Siwa’s New Relationship? Summer House & Phaedra Returns
Yeah.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Pretty unhinged.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
I've actually never seen it.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Okay.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
You used to say, Alexa, play Cautious Clay. We were not boyfriend and girlfriend then.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Yeah.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
How did you get involved in it?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
And when you say some people, do you mean Carolina or, or who do you mean? Yeah.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
What was in the basket?
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
It's one thing to show up.
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
Like...
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E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day
That's human nature.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
Rachel Levis also posted saying the amount of times I convinced myself that the abuse I endured by James Kennedy was a misunderstanding is sickening. So she has also come out and said something.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
I haven't seen him recently, so I don't know.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
No.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
I say take me out.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
Enjoy your life like a better death. Yeah. Yeah.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
Literally. Like, come on now. Do you know who else is basic? Who? Chapel Roan's dad.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
I also do want to say one thing. Something that pisses me off so much is when somebody's trying to apologize and the person that they're apologizing to just keeps saying what they did wrong. And this happens with both JR and Scotty with Nick trying to apologize to JR. And he's just like sitting there with his arms and he's like, well, but then you did this, this and this.
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E856 - James Kennedy ARRESTED, Tom Sandoval Goes Live, Ultimatum’s Zaina, SNL’s Heidi Gardner, and RHOSLC
And Nick is like, I'm trying. I said, sorry. Yeah. And the same thing happens with Scotty and Aria.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Did y'all see Katy Perry finally went to space? Like this morning. I heard like a woo-hoo. Is she back?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Okay, Gayle.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
The photo shoots they had going into space, I was like, crazy. Full blown out, face tuned, but in a good way.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
No, she's part of Blackpink, but she was doing her solo.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
She's doing her solo.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
People were criticizing Hailey Baldwin for driving Justin Bieber and his friends around. Did you see that?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
He doesn't follow her on Instagram as of now.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
They did make an apology already, though. They did say, we deeply regret that a roach was found in our tonic bar, and we sincerely apologize for this lapse in our standards.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
That's a village.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Well, that's where you're mistaken, because one of them was for the smoothies. The other one was the live one.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Oh, oh, that none of them can afford to live in now.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It's not her first rodeo. All the housewives who do this, they foos-tune one image but not the other one, so I don't think they care.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
And then Carl was like, congrats, I heard.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It's like, is it that big of a deal? But it is.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
The live streams do exist for a reason. Exactly. I will say.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I need a live. Did you see the end of the video where a security guard does show up and they let the woman go. So I think it was like a diffusion of like Kyle and them following her.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Like what would they, detain her? I think Kyle and them, whatever reason they thought they were on the right, that's where they were recording. So, I mean.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I'm with Kelsey.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Because here's the thing. If you want... No, not against you. Against the concept. Because if you want the performance, that's what the live stream is for. Absolutely not. These people want to experience the actual climax of the song themselves. So they're just... Justin, these people are content creators.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Basically, Portia posted a video where it was like teasing like an interview she was doing. And she basically was like, well, here's the tea. Like someone from this cast that's currently on Atlanta gave Kenya the videos. Kenya commented on that post saying absolutely no one on the show gave me anything. Stop using my situation. That's clickbait.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
To which Portia responded to her comment saying, that's a lie. We talked day and night and I personally went to network slash production and fought for you before you showed her underage explicit pics. I also went after as well because I was hurt. You had to leave. I checked on you because I cared and care. Basically, she was just like, this is a lie. Someone gave it to you. You also shared it.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It was underage. So that's what Portia's claiming.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Well, I think it depends on which cast member you're asking, because I know some cast members that are on Lana are saying, like, revenge porn's a loaded term. Like, it was wrong, but also might be something else. You have Britt admitting that she was wrong on Watch What Happens Live. Like, I think the story is still developing, for sure.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Like I said, watch the live stream. Let them live in the moment.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I wouldn't even know where to access the live stream. I watch the live stream. YouTube.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
You can see all the performances. But who records the live stream?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Because Portia also did imply that Kenya she said she didn't know. But if Kenya comes back next season. So it's a lot of like and Kenya said she's still on the payroll when she did Tamron Hall. So it's like there's so many details of the story that we don't fully know.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Professional HD.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
All angles, better angles than being in the audience.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Well, that's where Kenya and her fan base has been operating on a double standard critique. And that's where I think we just don't know the whole story.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Well, he came out like 40 minutes later. Didn't he mail it in? Didn't he quit or something?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
But I guess... Also, Natalie. What? You wouldn't have FOMO if you saw people waiting three hours for a shower, 12 hours to get into their campsite. Fireworks blowing up in the artist area. This is too much.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Yeah.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Do you have more knowledge?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
And not to brag, but my phone always gets it the earliest. No matter who I'm with, I always get it. Is that because other areas are having earthquakes and they send out an alert or something? Yeah, it's not near us. I looked it up. But we all swore we felt it.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Yeah.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Did you? Or...
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Leia, you need to go on A Million Dollar Secret.
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
It's around like $400, right?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
I am curious real fast before we let you go because you watch Big Brother. Are you following the whole Mickey Rourke and JoJo at all?
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E918 - Coachella, Liza Treyger, Million Dollar Secret w/ Cara, Kenya v Brit, Summer House & SNL v Aimee Lou
Well, some would say Mickey Rourke also made a splash and now he's gone.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
That's a huge leap.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I didn't wake her up.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Yeah.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Raquel. I felt that. Honestly, you should get that out.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Smart. Do you want to talk about fatherhood?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
But what would you rather be great at?
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
She definitely has bigger balls.
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Oh, that was you. Oh, I wasn't...
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
I'm talking about 1955. Okay, valid. Um...
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E932 - Tom Schwartz, Summer House, RHOA, The Valley, Karen Read, Mother’s Day & Taylor Swift Subpoenaed
Jesse?
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
This is going to ruin the tour.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
I'm just kidding.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
It could be good.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
No, you would not be.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
You would not be, baby.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
So you saw Prom Night.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
46.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Yeah.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Yeah, it's fucked up.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Okay. Who would be familiar?
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Period.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Oh, sexy.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Oh.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
And they try to be like, I don't know. And you're over here like, wait, Do I know you?
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
I love you. You smell so good. It's just so hard. It's so...
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
And the memories, you know? You don't throw out the memories. Nope.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
That's how she talks to people.
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Oh, no. What did they say?
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E898 - Traitors w/ Britney, Harvey Guillén Talks Bravo, LIB Reunion, Tamra’s Exit, & James Kennedy
Yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I did. I went to the farm. I was talking to my sister Friday night. Nick left us Thursday. And then Friday night, I was on the, me and River were eating supper and I was on the phone with my sister. And she was like talking about like, oh yeah, like, oh, we're doing this tomorrow. We're kind of just hanging out the farm. I've got like two litters of bunnies and a new puppy and new baby.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
They think he's casting.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah. There's really no like villains, I guess, besides Danielle. But, you know, there's really no villains.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I mean, I don't think Alan is like your way in.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
But yeah, I feel like if you're DMing Alan and not like calling him or like seeing him when y'all hang out and asking, maybe you aren't close enough to get like put on that way, you know?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Like she was just telling me all the new animals that were there. And River's very much in her animal phase.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I mean, I guess he could have just not said anything, you know, if it was true.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Loves animals. Knows the names of them. Knows what they say. Like very much in her animal era.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah. And so I'm like, you know what? Nick's gone. It's just me and Riv. Like, what if we just came? And she was like, I'll pick you up.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Do you want to get popped or are you trying to get along? I don't want to get popped. Literally.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
We've also been making like turkey sandwiches at home for lunch. And we've been very much in our like, let's stay at home. I'm doing it all with here bread sourdough. It is so delicious.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I got adventurous. I got spontaneous. And I booked a flight for the next morning. And we went for, I don't know. 24 hours. 24 hours. And had the best time. She had so much fun. We got there. And we immediately saw the bunnies. And she was like, oh. Like her face, she just like lit up. She also, you know, we're teaching gentle and we're teaching soft hands.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
They're ultra low net carbs, zero grams of sugar, and high in fiber. Hero Bread is offering 10% off your order. Go to hero.co and use code VIALL at checkout. That's VIALL at hero.co.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Honestly, every time Nick walks into a room with a Mack Weldon shirt on, I'm like, oh my God, hot.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And they're very too hard things to teach a toddler. And so she kept wanting to pick the bunnies up by their ears. And that was not good.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Was it frustrating for you to kind of see, like, with the Portia and Charles accusations, her deny it to you and then in her confessionals admit to it?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And you still haven't really gotten an answer.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
The Cynthia Bailey barbecue was refreshing.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah, no, yeah. She does pick up her stuffed animals like that.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That was my first time flying solo.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Who cooks? Who does the cooking? Him.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
He's very particular. Yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yes.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You know, like, Oh God, I got to order something.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
She was younger. Honestly, the flight there, she knocked, she was asleep. We flew Southwest and I made friends with the gay agent. And so she was like, come on, baby, it's your turn. Come on. And I was definitely like B57. Like it was definitely not my turn, but she let me and River get on with the A's. And then- There was a flight attendant standing in the front row and it was not a full flight.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Is that kind of why whenever Britt brought it up at Cynthia's party that you were kind of like, what? Like, you kind of didn't really have this, like, oh, my God.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah, yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
So they really wanted everyone to spread out. Like they were like, not you can't all get in the front of the plane. Like everyone's got to spread out. And so I was like, could we sit here? And she was like, I'm only allowing two people to sit here. So if you have a family of three, it's not going to work. And I was like, no, it's just me and the baby. And she was like, come on in.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Watching that scene back, did you regret anything you said? Or do you stand by everything you said to Britt?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That mouth got miles on it. Stretch marks around the lips.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Did you kind of feel like Drew left you hanging?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And so we got the whole like front row to ourselves and River knocked out before we even took off.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah. Because there was that little clip of her being like, I'm not going over there. I'm staying over here.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
So it's like, yeah. Where was she when you needed her?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Have you seen Kelly's dog? I have. What are your thoughts on her spending a thousand dollars a month on coloring his dog?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Front row.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Because she let me go with the A's because I made friends with her and River was smiling at her. And she fell asleep before we even took off, which, thank God, slept the whole flight. The man in front of me was this very old man and I could see his text. And that, let me tell you, that is my favorite thing to do on a flight is to eavesdrop and read some text of the people in front of me.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Because you and Portia ended on a good note at Cynthia's party. So something else happens in the second half of the season.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Let's see what happens in these episodes. Are Kelly and Britt going to beef at all? Because we see a little something in the trailer. Their beef was so good.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Did you, were you on a side, Britt or Kelly's?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And I honestly wish that I had not. This man was asking who I'm hoping is his wife. He said something about like, you want to get that ass whip, winky face, tongue emoji. Like was getting real dirty. And she was like, yeah, baby, I do. And I was like, I've got to stop. But I could not take my eyes off of it.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Slow down? She was like, you need to just... Yeah, yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Speaking of Shamia, why did you text her after Nashville?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
What did your text really say to Shamia? Because they really made it out like, you know. Yeah, it was like, beep, beep. You know what? Beep, beep. And then it was like, fast forward. It was the longest message ever.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Thank you. Bye, you guys. Bye. She's the best. What a queen. I love Angela. All of the Atlanta Housewives are just so iconic. Even though it's her first season, I feel like she's iconic.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You're like, yeah, she's like, and I recorded him. And here's the proof. And it's like, babe, I didn't ask you about being away from for me for three days.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I think probably me. I mean, listen, it's single moms out there. Like you deserve all of the praise. It is incredibly hard to, I mean, and I can't even imagine with more children, but like it's hard. And I guess I realized how much you do. Oh.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Oh. Well, you do. Yeah, you do a lot. And it's hard when you don't have anyone else to be like, hey, can you take her for... a moment so I can shower. You know, it was like me and River, we're taking a shower together. You know, we're going to bed at the same time.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I know.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And that's what he said. He said, I tried out the free Wi-Fi. And so I figured I'd text you. That was his first text to her.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Oh my God, definitely deadbeat dads because then you got to like take care of them as well. And it's like, you know, like then they also want like attention from you or like sex from you. And it's like, you don't even, yeah, definitely deadbeat dads. But I will say when Nick got home, he was like, all right, I'm going to go to the grocery store. And I was like, OK, well, you take River.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And he's like, well, how would I grocery shop and take River? I'm like, bitch, I was just doing this for four fucking days.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You're like, and how would I like take her to the grocery store and grocery shop? You put her in the buggy and you walk around the store.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Well, she texted like Nick. She sent very much like, yeah, nice. Okay, cool. Until he started talking dirty. And then she was like, emoji, emoji, emoji. Yes, yes, yes, daddy. Crazy, crazy. And then he would like look kind of like over. I think maybe he was looking at River because obviously she was asleep. But I had to act so like... I'm not staring at your phone.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Someone in the bathroom at the airport, I was changing River's diaper and she was just kind of like, and the woman came up to me, she was like, she's going to be a singer. And I was like, okay, period.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
She makes a good point of being like, you're not bringing up a kid every day and you're still coming home at 5 a.m. hammered and like you're showing zero signs of ready to like not, you know, doing that stuff.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yes, of course.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I was like looking out the window. I'd close my eyes. I would act like I was doing absolutely anything but reading this man's text. Wait, and you said there's an older couple? He was an older man just by himself. Like how old? Late 60s probably. Okay. Good for him. Yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
No, I mean, yeah, Jesse caring more about having fun at the party than checking in on Lexi just proves.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Let's go to bed.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
But I will say, I think like the one thing that I would encourage for like a healthy relationship for any two people is like to go to bed at the same time. Like, I think that's so important for us.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah, right? Like, I thought about it while you were away of, like, I get in the bed and, like, you're right there. It's not like you're staying out in the living room and, like, watching a movie on your own or, like, doing, like, playing video games or, like, doing, like, we get in the bed at the same time.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Separately, right? Ever. In the five years we've been together, we've never, like,
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's crazy. And people do that. And I think that like causes like, and I think it causes disconnection. What about you guys?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's a long list.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
He's working. He's working. And anyways, I have never felt stronger in my arms than this trip with River. First of all, I mowed the lawn the day before. Let's just get that out in the air. I mowed the lawn, the front yard. And then there was a thunderstorm rolling in. So I was like, oh my God, I have to finish or else we're going to be fucked. And River was asleep for the front lawn.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I mean, people have different things that work for their relationship. I'm just saying, if you're feeling a disconnection in your relationship and y'all do that, maybe try going to bed together.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I don't think we need examples.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
we're yeah inching our way for sure for sure do you not want to go i would love to go i feel like maybe like 20 20 52 will be our year 2052 oh my god how old will you be then dead 2052 i'll be dead how many years is that that's uh 20 years it's 20 27 years Oh my God, I'll be like in my prime 40s. You won't be dead. You'll be close, but not yet.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Like last night in bed, I said something about how I'm like, Nick makes...
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
something so well and he was like i'm gonna be honest you gotta learn like how to cook right like you've got it and i was like whoa first of all i was like shut the fuck up i was four days without you and survived we had three meals a day who do you think cooked them me who do you think ate well us i was like we're good i shut the fuck up i shut the fuck up yeah Not the time.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I mean, I was like, holy fuck.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And then she wakes up as soon as I start the back. And I was like, You got to do this with me, honey. We got we got to finish. So I bring her outside. She's just like standing there watching me for a while. We're playing peekaboo. I'm like, where's mommy going to the side of the house? And they're like, peekaboo, I'm back.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah, it's like, I don't think we'll ever see Paige... Like making out with someone on this show again or like hooking up like she's we're past that with Paige. She's not doing that anymore.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
But that's kind of like what I thought of like, you know, oh, how funny was it that like she like made out with Carl in the pantry and like whatever. And then it's like that will never happen. Like we'll never see that from Paige again. And it's just because like that's not who she is. Like she's not that version of herself anymore.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And like we need I think, yeah, we need a like not a revamp of Summer House, but maybe just like, yeah, making it taking the older cast and giving them a new show and making Summer House like the younger version.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And then she was like chasing me. It was a whole thing. Like we're really trying to get it done. We were a team for sure.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's electric, yes. But there are a lot of buttons that would have made my life easier had I had known about them.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Spring is all about fresh starts and growth, and what better time to start learning a new language? With Rosetta Stone, you can make real progress in a way that feels natural and engaging. Let me tell you, my aunt and cousins live in Spain. They've lived in Spain my whole life, most of my aunt's life, and are clearly fluent in Spanish.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And I was always so jealous because they would get together, they'd speak in Spanish. And I was like, I need to learn this. It's family. I need to be able to understand what they're saying. And with Rosetta Stone, it's so easy and they make it really fun. No English translations. So you truly learn to speak, listen and think in your chosen language. An intuitive learning process.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You start with words, you build the phrases and you progress to full sentences. It's designed for long-term retention. So what you learn can stick with you
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And what honestly made it a little worse for me is as I'm killing myself on the front lawn, landscapers drive by and they do the lawn next to me.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
with a writing mower and i have never felt more watched and judged in my entire life i will be honest with you they're probably just checking you out i think they were probably looking at all the missing patches or in all this you know i'm just well they didn't they didn't come over and offer you a card or anything they didn't what a what an opportunity to get new business
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
How was Stagecoach for you?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It was a full crowd. And you were at, what, like 5 o'clock? 4 or 5?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I feel like a lot of people usually don't get to the concert until later. But I knew I wanted to see you. I knew that we needed to be there at prime 3 o'clock to get a good spot. And it was a full... It felt good.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
People showed up for Tucker.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
as someone who is a brunette, there's no recognition for us. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of like, like everyone loves blondes. We get it. We're over it.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Have you felt like there's been a wave of like brunettes who are flocking to you now because they feel like you want them?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Do you read DMs? Do you respond to DMs?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I slid into his DMs.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
But she's blonde.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
So which one is it?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I was like, honestly, we've, we've come to the conclusion that like, it doesn't have to be clever.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
What do you mean?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I said you're unreal. I don't know.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You are too. I'm in. So I'm in.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
No, they were like, she's got it handled. Anyway, so I was really sore from doing all that. So then now I'm going to the airport. I've got River's car seat. I've got our suitcase with both of our stuff in it. And I have like the diaper bag and I have River. I can't put her down to walk because she'll end up like...
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Oh, yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Have you ever gotten nudes in the DMs?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You're not interested in nudes.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
No, it's a blonde that fucked him up. And that's why now he's on to brunettes.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Because he wants nothing that reminds him of the blondes. That's right. Is that right? And then Sydney. She shows up.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Forgot all about it. I have a guilty pleasure and that is watching TikTok lives and I don't like ever join them. Right. Like I'll just watch them. So maybe that's like cheating because I'm not giving them like I don't like tap in and like give them likes or whatever. I don't know. But I just like to watch them. And yeah. You used to come up on my TikTok live algorithm quite a lot.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And I think it was before you had released any music. Like this was like, or maybe you had released some, nothing had popped yet. But like, I thought you were just this random guy who would like sing a little bit while like cooking.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
yeah i did that quite a bit and then what was it three was three two one your first what was your no no yeah yeah yeah yeah like last february yes yes wine and whiskey and i was like singing to it on the radio and i was like i knew every word i like loved the song and then i don't know if i like saw a picture or what but i'm like is this the fucking dick that's that dude i'm
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
What is he doing here?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
He actually can't, like most people, you know, will just like sing on TikTok. But like you have made, you're like famous. You're real. And it was like a crazy correlation.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It was such a nice surprise to be like, oh my God, no. One of my people made it. My people have made it. Yes. There you are.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Is that kind of how your success started off TikTok?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
not going the yeah we're going the wrong direction right she's not heading the right way so i'm holding her the whole time and when i landed in savannah my sister picked me up and we got in the car and as we drove off there was a bomb threat in the savannah airport and everyone had to evacuate like people couldn't take their things like stuff was being left on flights like they were like this is gonna take pretty much a whole day to get everything back on schedule
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's honestly been like one after the other. I feel like you haven't really hit a dull moment.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah, of course. Of course. What is like your life looking like right now?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's been, yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
When the album comes out, it comes out at midnight, I would imagine, right?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Where were you when the album came out?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You're on tour right now with who?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Damn. That's crazy as fuck. What was like that call like, like your headline in your own tour?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
What do you look at when you're on stage?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Oh, you're scouting?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You don't see someone and then tell a manager, hey, the blonde in the front. Point them out.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah, I feel like you're missing out on your rock star power of being able to pull someone from.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Like, they were so behind. People, like, they had to find their luggage after they all came back in. Just nightmare. So... Terrifying. Praying for the best, everybody.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
They would love it. It would make their life.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Why not? What is your love life like?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
banging non-existent i'm too busy watching jesus is watching jesus is watching are are you like want wanting to date someone in the same sphere as you or are you like wanting a normie are you wanting no one are you
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It gave you an angry feeling.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I did. But she had so much fun at the farm. And she was just running around and seeing all the animals and was just, like... It was so cute and she loved it so much. And it's like so fun to start seeing now she's at an age and Leah, you'll get there soon of like where you start to see them like experience things through their eyes. And you're like, oh, no, that's so cool.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Maybe you want to get into it. That's not true.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's fine. We do this all the time.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah, that was Riley. Riley's response was like the Chinese dragon.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah, he was like, I think I'm a rat. He said English. What's your love language? English?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I'm just kidding. French.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You're not looking for someone to like, want to be in your back pocket or be like, crawl into your skin with you.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You're looking for like, maybe when it's the right day, right time. Yeah. Yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
gotta change that perspective he hates to see birthdays coming no literally he's like we just had our one year wedding anniversary and he was like oh congratulations that's awesome he was like what should we do do you want to do like a joint gift and maybe like you could figure it all out and then we could just get the same thing for each other and I was like Sure.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
We got matching rings. That's great.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Like they think this is the greatest thing ever. And it's something you've seen a million times.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's got to get it sized. It's a little too big. What are you going to do?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Piano.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Was that something your parents were like, I'm putting you in piano. You're going to learn. Or you were like, I want to do this.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
What was the first song you learned?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Universal. Yeah.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah. What was, remind me of the song you played at stagecoach on the piano.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Oh yeah. Ring of fire.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
What's been like your, like growing up, who's been kind of the country artist that you look towards?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Did you see any of Creed or did you stick around for the rest of the weekend?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That's cool.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Damn, that's crazy.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Wow. Was that the first time you realized, like, holy fuck, I've made a viral, like, I've done it. Everyone knows my songs.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That must have been a cool feeling.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
What's been your favorite song you've released thus far?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Were you able to choose a song that you sing on Kimmel?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Or did that, you were?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
On your fun facts, it says, what are you watching? And it says, you're more of a movie guy. I am. And then it says, anyone but you in parentheses, which is Sydney Sweet. Is it really?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Big bad!
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I love Sydney!
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
What did you think of that movie? Good. It's good.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
This is a new character in Marvel?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's so exciting. If there were to be a biopic about you, who would you want to play you?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah. Like, you know, we just had Timothee Chalamet do Bob Dylan.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Who would you... Oh, gosh.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Good question. Did anyone think Timothee Chalamet could sing?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I didn't.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
She was boxing with everyone. She said stretch marks around your lips.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
It's always mine. You're traveling so much. Yeah. Try to just get there.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yes, of course, on a beach.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That's right.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
With a margarita. That's right.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
He's like, Ann, I'm out.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
She said that mouth got miles on it, honey. That was crazy.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That's nuts. What has been your family's reaction to all your success? I mean, I'm sure they're so happy for you, but like what has been, you know, your mom, your dad's reaction to all this?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
They are loving all little brother's attention that he's getting right now.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
My brother will be like, he's not that great, actually. He really can't sing. It's all just him.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I don't know. Are you a Vols fan?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I don't think she was referring to filler, though. She was talking about sucking it.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I told you my grades weren't good.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That's what they told me. They told me I was too redneck. I needed to learn how to change my accent or people would think I was just stupid.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
You're on tour right now. Where can people buy tickets? Where can they come and see you? Where are you playing next?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
He's like, I'm not in charge of none of that. I'm going to go ahead. Like tuckerwapmore.com.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Okay, perfect.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That's huge. That's a really big deal.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
And maybe they're like laid back, right? They're very chill. They don't need you like 100% of the time. Maybe they also like work remote. Maybe they like can travel with you to shows. How fun could that be?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That would catch your attention.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Well, this has been fun. Thank you so much for coming.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I found them to be surprisingly wholesome.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
So many. I can't even think of the number.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I was really surprised with the Valley reunion seating chart because what is that?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Was there performance as well? Or do you feel like it was genuine?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I guess. But I feel like anything diabolical he'd have to do would have to do with Michelle. So it's like, why not have Brittany, Jax, Michelle, Jesse, then Kristen, Luke, Nina, Danny, Jasmine and Zach? Because I get they want to keep the couples together. So why not put the couples kind of closer to the end and the two toxic couples?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Yeah. What a weird thing to say, I guess, just like having a kid, which I guess like the kid came after marriage, right?
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
She wanted to suck your dick.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Perfect. He wanted to suck your dick as well.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
Well, no, Nick, me and Nick were, we were away from each other for four days. I was solo momming. Nick was working.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
That was kind of crazy. It's like screenshots. I really texted Kristen and I was like, I need you to post Jax's response to your text.
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
literally but she didn't respond but um i would i and i'm assuming he probably didn't respond i feel like that's the type of thing jacks would just like ignore but that was so funny person to be like jacks this is a complete like replica it's an exact ripoff and it's photos from her from her website it's crazy it's crazy better be surprised no
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E928 - RHOA’s Angela Oakley, Tucker Wetmore, The Valley Reunion, Summer House & Nat's Last Minute Farm Trip
I feel like I just asked Alex Baskin about her and he was like, love. Yeah. What's happening?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
As soon as he saw me, it's like it's the best friends for me that I was like at the reunion. She was like dying on the hill that this is my best friend and I know everything. And Nick, you're not being forthcoming. And then does what? Good morning, America. And then it was like, good morning, Washington.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I also don't know that he realized that two out of the five people in that circle are mic'd up.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Tag team.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. I don't think we've eviscerated her bad enough. Boom.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Besides the fact that they were still fucking. That was just randomly thrown in there. She was berating Nick. And then she's like, we all make mistakes or do stupid things. I was fucking this man. And it was just like, whoa.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Ridiculous. And the applause for it too, where it's like, really? Because he spoke up one time. Also, her putting him on blast about the notebook thing, where it's like you and your friends went through his stuff. Weird. That, to me, where I'm like, you lost all credibility when you started off with my friends, thought it would be fun to go through his thing. You're a bully.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Taylor gave a trophy wife.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
That outfit. I was like, I don't know how she's sitting in it. Taylor and Garrett were eating.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Him making the joke about the meat trying to get to his segment that much faster. Like, homeboy, calm down. And even then you gave us literally nothing.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I deleted the text. I never delete a text thread.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I've never met her in person because I met her on Instagram.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The way that he was like the casual conversation of just like, hey, what have you been up to? So I'm into some new fetishes, but I just had to ask as a friend.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I was just going to say that. Like, why did we spend 45 minutes? I had to, like, who's Katie and why am I meeting her baby? Like, 45 minutes, but I couldn't get a follow-up question?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah, for me, it was like the lack of follow up questions to where I'm like, it just reminded me of the end of the Love Island reunion when it was like, Rob, we're going to ask you the question that everybody wants to know. Are you still wearing overalls? And it was like, nobody. There's so many other more important questions to ask.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Vanessa. Vanessa loved that joke. Oh, my God. It was brutal. They spent more time on jokes and transitions than they did on follow-up questions or what we actually want to know about.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
For us to have fun.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
That's what you want to see. You want to see people take accountability and what Leo's doing, make fun of themselves. Where it's like, oh, that's not who I am or that's not my personality. But my God, that guy did talk about money a lot, didn't he? Like, you know, make fun of yourself, but also be like, yeah, I looked like a douche.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And I'll take note of that.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
They could never do a Nick and Natalie sharing a cup of water to go to bed.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'll never forget that moment. I go, y'all do what?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
So do you have to wake up in the middle of the night and be like, hey, hand me the cup. Yes. Damn, that's love.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Maybe she's raising an anti-Ken. You don't know.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I also think it's normal because you're like all of a sudden raising this baby and have to keep it alive that I am like you're thinking about so many other things that you wouldn't think about day to day. And I can say like I held your baby and the entire time I'm like, please don't drop this. Please. You know what I mean? Where it's like, of course, I'm not going to like let go of my arms.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I mean, yeah, but sometimes it is a little shocking where it's just like the amount of context that was left out of that conversation that like instantly painted him as a villain come to find out that he like volunteered a vasectomy. Look into that. Like it just would have given more layers to a person versus just like you're bad or good.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But it's like there's a thought in your head that's like, oh, my God, like what if? So I'm like, I think it's pretty normal.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
So dated. I was like, what is this, Jersey Shore?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Actually, Drew, because that's the thing, too, is that it's like the whole thing is we have sympathy for Nick, not because he had an outstanding personality. It's because we sat here and watched him get berated the entire show that you're just like, OK, at some point, nobody deserves to be spoken to like this at some point.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
You said electric city of Salt Lake?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The electric city of Salt Lake. Let's go.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Saw that one coming.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Typical couple. One of you just slides over 20 being like, alright, it was before Christmas.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But also like.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
He's like defending his wife. Yeah. Like you're coming up yelling in the middle of a party. So everybody's looking at you and you're like, your wife is a fucking liar. How do you? Of course he's going to be like, my wife's not a fucking liar.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But even to Whitney's point.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. But even to Whitney's point is that they've gotten into many fights and usually the men are off somewhere else talking about God knows what. And the idea that you're bringing somebody's husband involved in it where I'm like, handle it between the two of you.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But when you're going up to Justin yelling at him in the middle of a party about his wife and questioning her integrity, of course it's going to be upsetting.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Truly. Literally.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But even the second go around, like, Justin's, like, leaned back against a table, essentially. Like, he is not aggressive at all. Then John comes in and puts his hands on Justin, where I'm like, again, what did you think was going to happen? And again, you're also putting this idea that Justin was, what, going to come out and just knock Lisa out? Like, that's not. Yeah, that's not going to happen.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
That's not true.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Okay. But like what I will say is I'm sure that house is fucking massive. And I'm like, that woman.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. When was the last time? Do you think Bronwyn cleans her own house?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
She can pick up dog shit. Do you think Bronwyn? When was the last time you think Bronwyn? She's got 20.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
She has 20. I get what you're saying. What are those dogs?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I think that's it.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
We've decided outside.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
For sure. But what I'm saying is that like Bronwyn is like a level of wealth that matches the old New York housewives. Like it's like she is aloof. She is somebody who like could probably look at her.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It doesn't matter. She came from rags to riches. Sonia Morgan.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Now she's like, I don't, I'm too good. Once you marry him, like I could, I'm sorry. I'm going to, I'm going to die on the hill for Bronwyn. I do think that.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I do too. I'm just saying. I think they set her up. I don't think she knew the shit was there. But also, I would understand.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And this is why when you would ask me, like, why I don't like Heather, why I don't like Heather, I couldn't properly articulate it without you seeing it.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But it's kind of that it's like it's like you want so badly to be the shining star under your number one being the number two that it's like everything that you said last season now all of a sudden cancels out because now you're following Lisa instead of Jen.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yep.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
She wants Angie to have her back with Bronwyn, but at the same time is like shocked that Bronwyn's questioning her because she wants to be hazing her because you're the new girl. These are my friends. And it's like you're all in the same cast.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
This is what Heather wanted, though. It's like the projection of what Heather wanted to see where Bronwyn was like, listen, I'm going to invite you over. Hopefully we can sit down and have a nice conversation, take accountability, and then I'll invite you on this trip. And then Heather's like, well... Heather went to a judge for apology.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Podfather? Daddy. Daddy.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Oh, my God.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But even then, also just to tie a little knot on that with Heather, where I'm like, Heather definitely says that she can say whatever she wants to say to Brittany. And Brittany's like, well, that hurts my feelings. She goes, yeah, I guess it would. But I'm sorry that it hurt your feelings. Like, again, Heather's doesn't have to be genuine when she's talking to Brittany because Brittany's below her.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Exactly. She sees Bronwyn as like fighting against her or competing for status where it's like Bronwyn doesn't have to compete. That's the difference between the two of you.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But we do not know her. And if you were a nice girl, then I'm seeing somebody who clearly needs a little more kitty gloves with handling. You're not going to expose her in a way that you know is just going to leave her broken. And this poor Britney woman is fucking broken.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
She also says that in the aftership. Then she also talks about like romanticizing her parents wedding or marriage. They met for six days, got married, and then were together for like 50 years until she wants that kind of love herself. But I'm like your somebody else's love story does not is not yours.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. But just side note, I just left... She needs to offer it. I just left when Angie brought the bottle of wine and was just like, well, I saw you slugging it down. I didn't know that this was not the occasion.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The one thing I'll say about that is that it's ignoring red flags, even with Jared and Brittany. But also if you don't know what your significant other does for a living or how they attach their wealth. Sunshine is not a good answer.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Or he's retired. Like just like I don't know.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'm like others before or like prioritizing marriage and a man because he's going to take care of everything.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But don't Mormons believe that women won't go to heaven if they're not married? It's like there's weird things that are tied along with their religion, too, to where it's like,
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It's always great seeing somebody's first season on one of these shows and then seeing them come back for the second season because a lot of them are not self-aware. So when they finally watch, like, how they... the things that they've said and like the things that they're willing to die on, they come back second season being like, actually, okay, I'm ready to speak.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It's him being like, I'm going to put this out so now every news article can write about it and not this one thinking they have like... I will say that that's my biggest problem right now, even with the Margot Robbie and people being upset that she had a boy that I feel like us as a society are way too entitled to other people's personal information that like,
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The fact that are you going to make a bunch of money by releasing somebody's health diagnosis? Probably. But I'm like, there's just no ethics, nothing that goes into it. And yet you feel like you're giving society something that they needed to know that doesn't change anybody's life.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Knowing about James Van Der Beek's health diagnosis, but you did just put him in a situation where now he has to speak about something that's none of our business.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Going back to Tamara and Ryan and the lawsuit or lack thereof, Ryan had responded online saying that he hired the same attorney that Jim Bellino hired to sue Tamara previously and Shannon. But he said she was served yesterday. So what's the difference between filing and somebody being served?
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The new witness that testified for the grand jury... claims to have eight tapes off 11 drives that was supposedly given to him by somebody close to Kim Porter. So he was forced to name names and confirmed some of the speculation that has been out there.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But I will say I saw a really cute video of them. I don't remember where they are, but it's, like, paparazzi is just flooding her, and he, like, realizes that she's not right behind him, and he's, like, pushing people out of the way. And I was like, yeah, that's my little short key.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It'll be sprinkled throughout. I find it hard to believe that Tamara's going to be able to, like, not have a little dig at her at any chance she gets. The second that, like, the heat comes on Tamara, she's going to be like, yeah, well, what about the FBI? Yeah.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Mine is, when was Da Vinci alive?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah. He wasn't kicked out of the Grammys.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
They were not kicked out. He was nominated and walked the red carpet, then chose to get in his car and leave.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah. Yeah. He then posted and deleted images from the evening on his Instagram account, captioning one of the photos with love story.
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Oh, my God. I thought she was wearing a censored dress. No, I saw her labia minora.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Baby Bron? Not from me.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Now Luca. Also, Anthony Davis, I feel like, is always out injured for getting poked in the eye.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
No, I said that one. That one was mine.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
no but i feel like danny was definitely freaking out more than when i told him i was pregnant so how'd that make you feel yeah i understand is he a big lakers fan he's a big lakers fan and he just doesn't understand how this is possible is he happy you don't understand there's never been a trade like this before there hasn't so he's happy he's thrilled I think he's shocked.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
He's still coming to terms with it, but he's happy. I mean, is he good? Why wouldn't he be happy?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I was two. This is not FBoy Island.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Yeah.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
How much money?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
But Spencer, as everyone knows, was just here the other day. We had an episode with him and Heidi and he was on the phone with TMZ responding to this. And he basically said that the apology won't suffice until Andy decides to reach out privately. He also proposed that Andy post a video dancing to Montag's number one song, I'll Do It. Yeah.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Some other Bachelor Nation people have come out and talked about it. So we have Claire Crawley who came out and talked about the breakup. She basically said in an Instagram story, she said, catching up on social news and SMH, shake my head, at some of this stuff.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Remembering that one time I specifically asked producers to please not allow one specific guy on my season because I knew for a fact he was not looking for a serious relationship whatsoever and I didn't want him to waste anyone's time. So instead they made him the next Bachelor.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
We also have Ari... Ari? Yeah, Ari.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
So he posted, and it was an Ask Me Anything. And one of the questions was, need to know your thoughts on Matt and Rachel. And so he's like walking and he's sharing it. And he basically said that he- He basically says that he doesn't feel like that he ever treated her with much respect. And he brings up the after the final rose when Matt broke things off and he just felt like it wasn't fair.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
So he just basically is saying that he doesn't feel like Matt ever treated Rachel with much respect. It's a heavy statement. That's what I was thinking.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Just... The most hated man in America after that. Like, at least for, like, a moment. He called it Jason Mesnick.
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100%.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It was Zach.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Oh, yeah.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It was Zach was lecturing Greer because Greer was comparing meeting like a sales quota.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
And it says Hannah Burner?
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Hannah Burner? Yeah, Hannah Burner was also in the preview.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
I was surprised by Ella going home after she gave him that note.
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
It wasn't...
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E878 - River’s 1st Birthday, Traitors w/ Bob Harper, Grammys, RHOSLC, The Bachelor, and Booty Belches
Leia brought... I was like, oh, Natalie brought her child. Yeah, that makes sense.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo performed all of their songs live in the movie. That's true.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Dude.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh,
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You guys are okay. There you are.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You guys owe me on this one.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Are you in Cancun? I canceled it and I didn't know that they didn't cancel it. And I got my 400 meetings today. So yeah, you owe me.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, just because I'm doing this and I don't want to be doing this right now. I'm very, very busy.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Well, no, they, there was a disconnect and they were supposed to have canceled it.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
My staff. Oh, I guess you guys didn't get it till Friday when I confirmed that, you know, I can't meet with them because I'm here in Mexico and I have three closings today and I, Anyway, I'm making it work. Do you want to go? We can let you go. Listen, I just rearranged to sit here for a second to, well, five minutes, ten minutes, a half hour, whatever. But I'm not made up. I don't have makeup on.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'm on the beach. I don't have my podcast stuff, so just bear with me, okay? I'm doing my best.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Good.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I did. My girl, Olivia, who works for me, is my boyfriend's daughter. And he was in a horrible motorcycle accident the day before. So he's been in an intensive care, almost lost his leg. So it was kind of like a sad. I wasn't with my kids, but it was fine. We made it all work. Lots of prayers.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
He'll be okay. It's going to be a long road. He has a rod from his knee to his foot. They kind of had to attach his foot back on his body. And it's been very, very serious. He was only going 10 miles an hour. It's crazy. And the bike flipped. It had a low back tire. So everybody, get off motorcycles.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yep.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
That's a little question. As little as possible, but as much as possible, as much as you need. I don't, I don't know what, I don't know. I just have this much time or a little time. I'm doing this as a favor, I guess. And I'm sorry that we weren't scheduled correctly, but I told two weeks ago, I can't do this this day. And somehow she missed it. Didn't realize it till Friday to email you guys.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
So she emailed us on Sunday.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You're welcome.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It was fine. I didn't give it my all, which was hard for me because I'm very opinionated and have my stance on a lot of things. And unfortunately, when you're only in 10 episodes or filmed 10 times, you don't get the full gist of what's going on and why everybody's fighting. And I'm not a fighter, but I'm not going to stand by and let people hurt people.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
So that was my stance with Shannon and Tamara and Steve. you know, everybody's trying to create drama and I'm all about no drama in my life. So I've been through that before. And that was a hard thing for me to do is to not be totally involved. So it's fine. you know, I know my place.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
It was 100% fake and 100% everybody's trying to save their job and everybody knows it. And I was guilty of that years ago when Tamara and I were fighting and production came to me and said, you know, we really need you guys to make up or we can't film the show without everybody, with everybody fighting. And You know, at that time, I wanted to make up because I wanted my job.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But, you know, Tamara, I don't know who she is anymore. And she knows this is why I'm upset with her. Enough is enough with this fighting. And I think it's overdone. I think it's not scripted, but it's very manipulative, what she's done this season and last season. So I don't... I don't subscribe to it. I don't want it in my life.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
When I was on, I don't know if this is true or not, but when I was on, when all that Brooks scandal happened, I took a Xanax right before I went on because I thought, I can't cry, I can't yell, I can't scream. I got to believe she took something because that's not Tamara. And I don't know if it's true. I'm just giving you my gut. Because Tamara usually sticks up for who Tamara is.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You are who you are. You know, she can't just all of a sudden say, I'm sorry. And I'm going for therapy. You can't bullshit. You're just trying to save your, your job and your grace because everybody can't stand her. Everybody saw her true colors. So, and I've been, I've known her 15 years. This is not new of her cycle of what she does. So it really upsets me that she's always forgiven.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And she did nothing to me this season. I just decided, you know what? My clients, my friends, my people, my business. Are you friends with Tamra? I'm like, actually, I'm not. I don't want to be around people that can hurt people so badly. And it's not her position to call Shannon out if she's drinking too much. That's Shannon's.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
toe-to-toe like it's not anybody's business but shannon's so i feel like she wanted to be the mother or the police or what have you which is it's ridiculous it's not it's not her place to judge anybody and then when we judge her she gets pissed off so I'm kind of over it. I can see right through it. I think the viewers can see right through it, and that's why everybody's against her this year.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh, if you guys want a purse or a bag, I can get you guys one.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
These guys, I just end up paying them money and let them not give me a thing. Anyway, I don't know if that makes sense to you guys. No, it does. I don't like who she's become on TV. If we were just going out for lunch or shopping together, she wouldn't act this way. She's doing it for, I don't know why. She was hated this year. So I don't know why she did it.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I honestly don't know if she will rejoin.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
She's back. She's back.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
she's back she's back i'm just gonna let her write it get her in i went on a different wi-fi oh you guys see me now we can't yeah no yeah what are you what are you eating sorry about that you guys i'm not prepared for this i apologize it's okay we're vicky we're in the season of thanksgiving we're thankful for you're thankful for you too um i don't know where i left off uh well i asked you if you thought tamra was just doing this for tv
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
But let's hope so that she's not really that person.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
You know her.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I've known Alexis on and off for 10 years. I've known John personally for five. Really? Michael and I, my boyfriend and I have gone out with him and Shannon a lot. I don't know what he's doing right now. He says he doesn't want to be famous and he doesn't want to be in the public eye, but all he does is interviews and stuff. It's bizarre. So they should just go away and live happily ever after.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And guess what? If he paid $400,000 on their four-year relationship, it's good for him. That's what a gentleman's supposed to do.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
They lived a really happy life because Shannon paid for all his clothing, most of his clothing. I witnessed it. We were in New York. She went to John Barbados and she bought him a coat, the shoes, the belt, the shirt. I mean, he never put out a credit card. So I witnessed it. Now he's trying to backpedal that he paid. Anybody can put anything on an Excel spreadsheet.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I mean, it's ridiculous that Alexis was even getting involved in it because she wasn't in his life then. So what does it matter?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
right yeah and if he wanted to buy their first class tickets and i know shannon did many times no gracias um i i just think if he had the resources to do that good for him yeah and she did too so why are we talking about it it wasn't because he was paying for her stuff when he was with alexis alexis has nothing to do with this
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
We call him Dirty John. I like it.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Bryce's show. And we know Bryce really well, but Alexis has a publicist, which is ridiculous because this is her career. I mean, come on. I was done. I created this show 19 years ago. It was never my career.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Iconic. Say that. I have a career. Yes, you do. Nope. So the whole thing is just ridiculous. You know, and she doesn't work. So she has to say this is her career. And she got a pay per date pay, which wasn't very much. And she had once said in the very beginning, Johnny J said he was going to match it. Well, match it and go away. Go away and match the $10,000 you got or whatever it was. Dagged.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I I'm well I don't know um I can't answer that because I think that I got older and I think that well I know I got older we all got older um when I was starting this I was 42 I'm 62 now if you guys think about that I went through my 40s through my 50s and I'm in my 60s but Tamara's not far behind me and neither is Shannon so I don't know I just think maybe I got a little bit too conservative for Bravo um are you sure I don't talk I don't talk about politics I talk about
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
our core, our ethics, our moral compass. And I'm very opinionated on certain things, but I don't know... I guess I just don't even understand this cast anymore.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
My boyfriend, Michael, say hi. Hi, Michael.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
So if you all are in Puerto Vallarta, Daiquiri Dix is one of our favorite places. The guys... My mom and dad used to come here when I was 15, 16, 17. And then the older couple passed away because people do. And then a great guy from West Hollywood opened this. And it's the best Chinese chicken salad ever. Great cheeseburgers. Unreleased. Trumbled in with Captain Crunch.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
So, FYI, you guys have all communicated with her. I think she's dead. It is his daughter.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Yeah. So, anyway, we keep it in the family. I don't trust many people. Love. But I can trust her. And Linda still works for me. Okay.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Is that an Arnold Palmer you're drinking? Diet Coke.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Does that mean are you no longer whooping it up? Well, it's interesting because Michael wanted to go out two nights ago and three nights ago. And I'm like, I want to go home at 830. He's like, what happened to you? I'm like, my whoop it up is gone, right?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I can get her out of here. We went to the casino and I lost $100. And I was mad because I worked too hard for my money. I'm like, I'm not going to give these people my money. Michael's a really good gambler and he usually 90% of the time wins, except when I'm with him, he loses. So I'm like, there's a problem because I get like anxiety when he puts like this many chips out.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Because I'm so like, there you go. I'm so conservative, but I like to win.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I mean, I miss it. I really, really, really miss it. But I can't film with some of these people. I really can't. I can't be stupid. I can't fit throwing napkins in people's faces and just being nasty. Who do we have to fire to get you back on? Well, Tamra. Yeah.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Tamra. Well, there'll be others, but I'm not going to share it on your show. I'll share it on my show. When you come on my show, I'll share it on yours. but I actually want to be an EP. I want to be an executive producer. And I already talked to them about it a while ago because I should be, I should have a say. So on what is real and what is not.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And when I went down the slippery slope with that crap with Brooks, that was not real at all. That was Megan Emmons and camera trying to cause drama. And it costs me my integrity and my, it almost cost me my insurance because I'm, I'm part of the national ethics bureau. You can't lie.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And I don't lie. I, If I lied, I'd forget what I lied about. So I have to always tell the truth. So it really bothered me. And that's when I came to Evolution and said, you know, I need to produce this. This is not, you guys are not producing reality. This is manufactured bullshit. And I didn't get a job, but I still want to. Or I'll create my own show.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
No. They like to have control of it. But if I was a producer on there and all this was happening, it would have not gone the way it went. Way too much about Alexis and John. Way too much about Tamara's DUI. Way too much about Tamara trying to be the mother of the police squad. I mean, she's
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh, my God. My life is a storyline. I mean, Michael is like, what in the world are we doing now? I'm like, yeah, I mean, it's just every day. Are you talking about my life? Or what was there?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I would have stopped the crap about Alexis and John. I would have stopped it. He's not a cast member and she's not a full-time cast member. So why did they go down this road of constantly talking about Shannon and John, Alexis and John? It's like boring. I want a snooze fest. It's like, kill me, you know? So I would have never, ever, ever, ever done that.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
And I would have told Tamara to go sit down until she gets a reality check. Okay. Come back when you want to be a nice person.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
Oh, that whole thing is ridiculous.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I don't think that should have been built. I'm not going to comment on it because I know nothing other than what I saw, just like you guys. We like Deanna Ryan. We were just with them the other night. Yeah. I have nothing to say about it because I don't know. And I'm not going to judge somebody about Tamara and her stupid FBI hat that she put on. It's like, now she's the FBI? Really, girl?
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
We knew he heard it. I mean, she was from where the accident was. And she was living at Michael's house at the time. She was renting his house because he was living with me in Cotto. So she was renting there for a while. And it literally is less than a half a mile away, his house to John's house. And where the accident happened was directly across the street around a corner, like literally split.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
He heard it. Of course he heard it. So I don't know. Everybody's weird right now. Everybody's weird. Everybody's weird.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
We're going to reach out to you and get you on my show. There you go, Nick.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
That's what I said you owe me. That's what you owe me about. Okay. Bye, Vicki. And I'll be all made up with the cameras and all that shit now.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
I'll have my podcast thing. All right. Okay. Okay, bye.
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E849 - RHOC w/ Vicki Gunvalson, Wicked, VPR Recast, RHOBH, RHOSLC, Thanksgiving & Josh Allen’s Ex
That was a favor to her dad because he's got 7 million subscribers.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Not to Nick, but it was horrible. I literally was like immediately, do not play that. And then everyone saved it.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
I'll be VP.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
You're going to go Spencer Pratt on it.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Yeah, we can't surpass Heidi. Yeah, we can only do number two.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Relax, girl. And then it calls some random person from, like, your past.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
You know what I didn't know that you could do though? What? Is send a six and a half minute voice note.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Trying to make this the number two song.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
If I get a voice note at 2 a.m. from my boss, I'm quitting.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Didn't one of them want a New York billboard?
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
I don't know. Let me check. But don't worry. Nick texted him or some other Grant. We don't know.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
It really could be. The song, and I know that Spotify takes a few days to update accurately, but as of when it was released, it has 8,914 plays on Spotify.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
And I'm probably 25 of those.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
He's an indie artist.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
We have to make a viral dance or like moment and then use his audio and then just have like that.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Yes. OK, so Rachel and Matt break up. It's devastating. But what happened is even more devastating. Basically, they are food bloggers. As we know, I watch all their videos.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
She's involved in the content. I mean, so what happened was she was looking for a restaurant.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
to go to and it didn't live up to expectations she was stressed about it anyway every it blows over they get over it uh the next day she was um she felt like he was annoyed with her so she asked are you annoyed at me and then it kind of snowballed into a conversation about how she doesn't have qualities that he wants um in a wife he's not sure if he'll ever propose to her basically doesn't want to waste more time of hers
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Then he breaks up with her as she is getting on a plane.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
What's crazy is that he goes Instagram official while she's on this flight. Some of her friends and family members found out about the breakup while she was on this flight. Anyway, I don't know how I feel about this.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
After four years, this would be a very frustrating way to be broken up with. And I'm sorry, but like saying, I don't want to waste your time after four years of
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Well, we did see in the previews for this season that he was going to be singing and playing piano and stuff.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Yeah. Setting her up for bigger and better. Also, she says that a few days before they were talking about how he feels so lucky to have her as a partner. So, and he said like, there are so many qualities that he loves about her.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
We'd have a PR session. Do you want me to hand it over? It might go really well. Who knows? I mean, everyone's talking about this.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
It seems so.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Maybe it's brilliant.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
Not here for the right reasons.
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
fuck shit and it's like all like loading and i'm trying to like wait for it to post fully before you can delete it no one time i posted my own personal story on the vile files account and nix because what the fuck is going on guys i'm not well our another account i'm not logged into
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
I mean...
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E876 - Heidi Montag & Spencer Pratt, Olivia Holt, Rachael Speaks, Bachelor Grant’s Music & 6min Voice Memos
have you ever accidentally sent a voice note how do you accidentally yeah i probably have but it definitely was just like possible ruffling oh yeah no like absolutely actually other times like i have my phone it's like it starts recording some bullshit yeah i accidentally sent a voice note of myself um peeing to my boss at my last company oh my god say that last part out loud In my last company.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
I also have a dog tattoo.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Whoa.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Okay, then, yeah.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
She ate.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Yeah.
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E942 - The Valley w/ Janet, Mormon Wives w/ Chris Klemens, RHOA, and Britani Bateman Scammer Allegations
Definitely.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Yeah.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Oh, Schwartz.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Yeah.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
Yeah.
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E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH
You can tell he's trying to go.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Or there will be a dismissal requested is what it is, maybe. Dismissal of it like going to court.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I will say I don't wish them the worst, but I wish them not to be on next season.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I feel like if they want to have a genuine relationship, which maybe they do and they could have.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
um emily from oc her nanny has spoken out as well her nanny correct correct nanny so we know we know that like uh there was that weird drama of like katie's daughter was telling emily's kids to talk about about heather and then it got back to heather and then katie's daughter was also posting on tick tock like we know that whole scenario
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Exactly. Yeah. So the ex Danny has spoken out saying, I've always been team Emily, but I feel so bad for Katie's daughter. Disappointed on how Emily handled it. Her kiddos have full access to the Internet, so I'm sure they found stuff on there. Emily's daughter, I'm not going to say her name, would always look up her mom on the Internet and I'd have to tell her to stay away from that.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I thought it was always cute that they knew what was going on. They're very protective over their mama. Like what Katie's daughter said, I also thought it was funny and not a big deal.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I do want to specify that. Am I understanding this? I don't see it necessarily as she's throwing anyone under the bus. She's just clarifying because Katie's daughter got thrown under the bus. So she's like, I just don't want that to be.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Is it though? Like not to be too devil's advocate, but she's ending it with saying like, it was really cute though. Like they were doing it to protect their mama, but I was trying to tell them don't. That's just her being clever. She should shut the fuck up.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Because what is she getting out of this?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
It's an easy mistake.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
It was weird drama to begin with.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Yeah. It doesn't help that Katie's daughter has that TikTok. That is no longer up maybe, but like.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Yeah.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I mean, there's other people speaking out. It's the nature of speaking or the season is speaking out, I guess. But so Lala Kent's ex-assistant, who is also a producer on her podcast, is a producer on her show. She was a producer on her show. She abruptly left. I saw this like a little bit ago where she abruptly just wasn't on the show anymore.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
And Lala was kind of like, she's moving on to other things like we're going to like support her doing that. But now the assistant speaking out saying she didn't get the chance to say goodbye to the audience.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Is there a world where Lala's like, girl, can you stir some drama? I need a headline this week. Can you just say something?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She needs some ice cream.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Salt Lake City Scoop.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Wait, I liked his answer though.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Salt Lake City Scoop.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Oh, thanks, Mary.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I'll have you know I drove 40 minutes to get this for us.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
It's in hot demand. I walked into the store and I was like, housewives? She was like, there's only four left and I grabbed two of them.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Why have it when I have Salt Lake City?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I'm also not but I think every child should be raised with Beverly Hills Housewives.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
alright so like give us a little tease give us a little tease of why people who haven't watched Beverly Hills Housewives who maybe need to jump on board here's my bullet points of the episode Kathy Hilton is back she's pulling extensions out of her hair mid back as a mid ball in what capacity is she holding fully glammed ripping them out throwing them on the couch is she a friend is she just here she's a friend of she's never been a full time but she's a friend of again wait Kathy's never been a no she's always been like the friend of I mean it depends on who but technically Kyle sister of interesting yeah
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Dorit is smoking cigarettes while driving through Bel Air.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I want messy Dorit. She's messy.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Dorit is wearing crazy outfits, confronting Kyle Richards with Kyle being like, looking at cameramen and the crowd being like, you guys are letting her do this?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
This is Giving Mother, by the way.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Who's your crush?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Really?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Well, my final bullet point, Mauricio giving advice to PK on the separation with Dorit.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
No, but that was referenced, I think, a little bit.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
As Kathy says, boss.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She's so good. She's friends with Dorit, which is an interesting pair up now.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Going to be friends with, at least.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
And she's like... All I can think is the transition that...
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I don't think so, though. I think Brynn is.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
The prank was that it was someone that wasn't her husband, yeah. She's still not pregnant.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
What do you mean?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
That it was insensitive, right?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I mean, sure.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
It was drama, if anything.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Wait, deja vu, though. I was telling Leah that I was like, I knew it was a prank from the beginning of the episode. But then when I watched it back on streaming, I couldn't find the clip of where they admitted it was a prank.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
but and this is all my own speculation when we watch this new episode they flash back to the same like lunch brunches that we had where they talked about it so I don't know if it was just me who saw some live unedited cut where you saw that it was a prank but I knew it was a prank you're probably right I think to everyone else's point it just got kind of convoluted and confusing and it's just like we all knew it was a prank anyway so we went into this episode thing why do we even still give a fuck about this I mean it's fun in the way that it's like really embarrassing and it's kind of just to watch
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
fun to watch them embarrass themselves a little bit well they know they know people aren't happy about this prank because i even posted a story being like i was also very upset with the prank i had no idea but stick with us please because puerto rico the cast trip is supposed to be wild so like everybody's supposed to be begging for people to stick around yeah i mean that's the sad part and didn't this season get cut short because of this puerto rico trip so it's also kind of like you wasted half of your episode pissing us off as audience members and then you're telling us to like then
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
should we check I might kiss her before I would kiss her first I will say the reason I think Beverly Hills is giving is because this is what we've heard so not confirmed but I think it was because they were like Dorit if you don't address the speculation cut and then they were like Kyle if you don't address Morgan cut so I think they all came like oh we have to you know who would be fun though in a throuple who Dorit in who
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Well, you didn't see the Kathy of it all. Toothless but homeless.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
They're not coming to play, and I think part of it is also like... Does this charity still exist?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Flashback to Nick roasting Dorit last season.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I just had some shit. She did look hot in that Mother Teresa reunion look.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She was hot.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She did make the woman wait hours before coming out.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Fashion is my language and I speak it fluently.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I think it's that, but also more of like the, she's trying to give upper echelon.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Who else is from Connecticut?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She was going to be cut, so she had to come and play.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I haven't seen it, but...
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Well, Gideon's been on multiple episodes for the two seasons.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She's playing him for sure, though. She's played him from the start. He's always there as like... Is it his eggs?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She wants his sperm to mix.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
He did buy them at Arrowhead.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
save it sure well I mean but Gideon it is weird though because Gideon has a storyline of being like the man that wanted me but I turned down but he's here and I'm like still talking to him but it's every episode and I'm like does he not know she's such a fuck boy she also talks about how she wants to be lesbian so like what is happening here
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I can't wait to have Jeff Lewis on. I'm ready to devour.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I loved her. She just does too much.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
The conversation they have with Beverly Hills they need to have with New York where it's like, girls, if you don't come, bye-bye.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
No. What are they bringing?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I was going to say, they brought the pie.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I have a jar of you on it.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Crypto. But nobody's listening.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
He says grace? Okay.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
This is the team of bad boys.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I will say in the spirit of House of Villains and Larissa, I think we have to go Raiders.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Larsa wanted you to move rooms.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She's messy, though.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I was going to say Safari put you up for elimination the first round. Hmm.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Can we jump into the West of it all? What are your thoughts on this man? Because I don't like him. Yeah.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Christmas card photos are supposed to be like awkward. Like nobody actually wears this. We're just forced to sit here and like everyone's fighting.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Can you sing us a note?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Candy, circling back earlier, you said that you're a shy person, but just as a viewer of House of Villains, you appear to be a confident personality. Do you think the cameras or the makeup, the glam gives you confidence?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
You know what the solution was? You stand in front of the tree and your monotone oatmeal sweater and you stand in front of the wall in your green dress. Nobody's blending in.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I'm glad the universe is humbling this man and saying, you want to pay them? Well, guess what?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Did he say how much he paid or was paid?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
You would think Zach Bryan would just issue another genuine attempt of an apology, but he's just doubling down. He's never apologized. That's the thing. He's just doubling down. Well, I mean, he kind of did.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
What's making him look worse, though?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Yeah.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Oh, that's cute. That's really cute. Wait, she needs to hold a chicken. Like, that's a little baby photo.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
There is a prank that a lot of people pull on Thanksgiving where they put the little Cornish hen inside of the turkey. So when you cook it, you pull it out and it's like, it was pregnant.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
It's a common prank. I've seen the video all the time.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Did you see the mock-ups? Were they good?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
You saw the little profile, though, right? The little screen?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Oh.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Yeah, it's a fight. I do wonder if Kim Kardashian had the same fight. with her Tesla robot when she did her photo shoot.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Well, she did a whole photo shoot and she was sitting on his lap. The robot was driving the Tesla like Cybertruck.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
She has to be, but it was giving very much. This is my husband, like my man.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Can you imagine their Christmas family photo shoots? Oh, my God.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Where did you get that hat?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Have you seen they're trained to, like, hide tags? So, like, if they're photographed in front of, like, a chair that's holding, like, a shirt or whatever draped over it, they'll, like, cover it. What do you mean they're trained? Like, they're so well, like, PR trained in photos that, like, if they're, like, say, like, at an event, someone's like, take a photo.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
They'll be like, and, like, cover a logo if they see a logo without saying anything.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
No. Love my mom.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Never say never. It's literally iRobot.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Yeah.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Someday.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I'm just like, what is Kim using this robot for?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
And then she's just sticking it in the shed. That thing's going to get mad and, like, take revenge.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
No, people do it already.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
That was pretty good.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I think Nick has the worst.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Scary movie.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I didn't see this until this morning.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
And was it at Sears or was it like at home? Sears?
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Well, I did pull up the original photo where it's photos of him in the bald cap shaving Dave's hair. And the caption says, nothing like throwing on a bald cap and flexing some Photoshop skills to show some love and solidarity with my bro at Dave. You're handling this with so much strength and positivity. It's inspiring.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I know you're going to get through this and I'm proud to stand with you every step of the way. I love you. So it is a very, like, enduring post.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
But that's a thing. I think it is open.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
So they have like the photo shoots.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Yeah. Dave did post a response saying, I'm sorry to see a bunch of negative comments as I've begun my cancer journey. It's our friendship, me and John, and this is how we are handling a very tough time. I'm a comedian and humor is what drives me. John knows how to cheer me up and I laugh out loud when he arrived wearing a bald cap, being a true loving friend and brother.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
On another note, Shannon Bedore officially is going to settle the lawsuit with John Jansen.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
I mean, it might get leaked or something. It does depend. So as of now, according to the documents, Shannon just checked boxes. So basically, she checked a box under line one that says this entire case has been settled. The settlement is, she checked, unconditional, which means a request for dismissal will be filed within 45 days after the date of the settlement.
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E845 - RHOBH Premiere, House of Villains’ Kandy Muse, Adam Ray, Shannon Beador Settlement & Christmas Cards
Date of settlement is November 15th, 2024. And then for the next scheduling hearing or conference, she checked date November 22nd, 2024. So we don't know what the conditions of the settlement are, but we know that it will be settled and dismissed.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Thank you.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Yeah, I think so. I mean, Heidi also just, she's filming her music video. I don't know if they already filmed it, but that's going. There's paparazzi photos everywhere of them currently around Santa Barbara.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I was going to say I respect it a lot, too, because they're transparent that it's not easy. I know there was a live stream they did recently. It was Spencer's live stream where it was clipped. And it was Heidi asking him, like, can you just get off the live stream? Like, not right now, not right now. But it's him being like, well, we have to support the family. Like, so he's continuing.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Like, it's not easy. And they're very transparent.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
His legal team specifically says, reflecting a deliberate attempt to mock, harass, ridicule, intimidate, or bully Baldoni through the character of Nice Bull.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Nick Viall and his kale salad.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
As far as we know, no.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Megan Markle delayed her cooking show in March. I feel like that was more of a Netflix thing.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I want to clarify. Nick originally said the man looks exactly like Brad Pitt.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
The hospital bed one.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
She did say, I'm not used to social media and I didn't really understand what was happening to me.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Well, this woman was 53 years old. So I think it's a social media thing that she just didn't understand.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Natalie has a point that there's like imposters of Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, that these are real people that look
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I didn't hear about this.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
He was an Asian.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
So, I mean, originally, like back before when the Traders cast was announced, we saw that Sierra was representing Summer House on the cast. People immediately started spreading a rumor that allegedly Dorinda told production that Lindsay was pregnant and then she got removed from the cast and then Sierra replaced her. Sure.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Producers came out and said that's absolutely false. I know there was comments of Lindsay on post kind of implying she never really met Dorinda. Dorinda would have never known. Now she's saying that at a party she wasn't at, there was rumors of Dorinda going around telling people that she miscarried, implying that she was then pregnant.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
And Dorinda was drunk.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Does Natalie know of this?
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I'm telling you, Dubai Housewives, she was gold.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
The drama is drama.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
You think it's a spinoff?
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I mean, there were... I don't think they needed to... I just... There were sources speaking out saying that.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Good point.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Can you imagine if it's just a commercial? The internet would be gagged.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Chuck E. Cheese style.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I felt so seen in that moment.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Someone has to steer it and someone has to push it. It's tough to do by yourself. Thank you, Justin. I did call it embarrassing two seconds ago.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
He's a project manager at a consulting company for DEI.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
A DEI-focused management consulting firm.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
It's a good show.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
But then the color might not match. So I'm with Nick. You have to have the same one.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
It's a valid question in my head.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
It's like a fumigation, right?
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Now we know.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I mean, I heard she was hosting Barbie parties and friends with all the girls.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I've never shared.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I felt so seen.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
It's so good.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I don't think it's fast food pizza.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
As opposed to what? Pizza's best food. I've said it before. The hot Domino's, Papa John's. Pizza in general is a nasty food. So if I'm going to get it, I'm going to get the nastiest. Did you say pizza? Yeah.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I currently have a cart loading if you want to hop on.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
You have Chuck E. Cheese coming right now? Well, I haven't placed the order, but it's a BOGO deal this week. Check the chat.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
What infidelity?
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I'm sure production would give her like unfiltered media if she wanted it. Yeah.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
Because I believed her.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I don't know why I'm asking y'all.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
TJ or Joe Bradley?
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I hate to say it. TJ backtracking and telling Michaels that he likes him. I was like, okay. Now we're actually playing emotions.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I mean, I've said it before. I narrow because I'm afraid of putting a razor down there.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
But I like the show because of him.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
I don't put razors down there. That's crazy.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
It's like your thinnest skin on your body. You're just. The timing has to time. You have to watch it. Yeah.
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E868 - TikTok Ban w/ Emily D Baker, Southern Charm w/ Molly, Diddy Updates, RHOBH & the Brad Pitt Catfish
You can't?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
In Blake's, it was breastfeeding. Yeah. Which are two completely different things.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I don't know. I mean, I think obviously people who are supporting Justin are going to support Justin, you know, I don't think their opinions are going to be swayed. Just like my opinion of Justin is not going to be swayed.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
giving commentary on this well Bethany's giving commentary on everything and didn't he wasn't he Megyn Kelly's attorney at one point I don't know it's like he's reaching out to all of his clients being like let's use your platform I don't know if he was he's definitely like a media he's a media lawyer yeah I just think it's
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
It is usually the people who are more loud, who try to, like, prove their right, you know? It's, like, the people who are like, I'm just gonna sit back and, like, do all this shit, like, the right fucking way, and... I don't know. That's the people I have more respect for. I don't know what happened. Obviously, I wasn't there.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But it's like he is just continuing to take down the woman, which is like everything he stands against.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
We don't know shit about his wife. We don't know anything about his wife. Maybe that's a personal preference on her end.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Thank you. There's nothing for me, if y'all were wondering. Probably aren't.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Other things that I am not a fan of would be Alison Holker writing a tell-all memoir about her husband, Twitch.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
He was hiding so much addiction, depression, childhood abuse.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. It's it also says on the cover of People magazine after the beloved Ellen DeGeneres show star died by suicide in 2022, Holker discovered he was battling scary demons, how she navigated her shock and grief, protected their three kids and is healing with a new love.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, I probably don't feel like I need River to read that in a magazine one day. Right.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
It's a tough look.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
It's one thing to know that your father struggled with mental illness and sadly committed suicide. And then it's another to have...
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
your mom air out that he was like addicted to drugs and she found all these drugs in the closet and like all of his scary demons she's airing out that should be his choice and he's not here to say so yeah can you look who's Courtney Ann Platt she's a dancer she's calling out Alison Holker over classless interview and memoir
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. I don't know how you... How do you look a mother in her eyes after her son has just died and say, you can come in, but first sign this agreement. You're not allowed to talk about it. And you can't talk about it.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But yeah, but like... It's just weird and sad. It's really sad. And obviously it's a touchy subject. Like I've never been in this position, you know, and it's like, I don't know how... I would navigate it. I don't think this is the way I would navigate it, but I obviously can't speak until I'm in that position.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And she was she was very lovely when we met her. And she's been through so much. She's got these young kids. There is just something about this that feels wrong. And I just know that I wouldn't want River to have to read about her dad anymore.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I mean, he like wrote in his journal about like things that happened to him as a kid. She's like talking about that in this, which feels wrong.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Also, I think it's people are doing a very good job of evacuating when our officials say that their area needs to evacuate. And I am just I'm grateful that people are listening to officials when they say to evacuate. And I just think continue until, you know, this is contained. It is sad. There's no way to segue from that, obviously.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
copy that centered around centered around her pregnancy which yeah good for her get it yeah it's so weird when people are like how dare you make money off influencing and it's like i don't know i mean it's just weird for a free clear blue test
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Where you had to be like, no, it's not take it. It's take that. Okay. So try that. Okay.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Or like an actual pregnant woman and not someone with a pillow shoved under their shirt. And I will say. Like in Gleet.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
They're nice.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Clear blue, I am not the girl for you. So Jennifer Aiden is cut from... She got fired? She got fired.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
After her Jersey Mike's outburst.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Well, I don't know if you can say you believe in second chances when you're firing someone for their first offense of being... You know, so it's a little like, well, it would make more sense to say that if like you kept her and people were like, how dare you keep her? And they're like, well, we believe in second chances. But they're like, she's fire.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
You know, has anyone on Jennifer Aiden's camp said anything?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
uh i'm on 36 hours my goal is four days my goal is like 80 some hours i'm also suffering because he's been nothing but a bitch this whole time to me that's not true i was gonna ask he's the hangriest person i've ever been around he's so mad he's so angry and i'm like you can stop whenever you fucking want last night in bed i'm like do you want me to boil you some eggs because this is insane like you are being you are being mean to me
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
He's also wearing socks with a big ass Aaron Rodgers face on them that Aaron keeps staring at me. That's so scary. Is that what he looks like? Kind of scary. That's so scary.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
There you go. For our Christmas, when I was a kid, my mom would let us each pick out our own cereal for Christmas morning. That is a great idea. It's a good one. It was like, that's your box of cereal. No one else can touch it.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Can I get my own box of cereal for Christmas?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Just mean. And it's because you're hungry. And I understand I would also be mean because I am mean when I'm hungry. But this is like intense hunger.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I remember sitting at the breakfast table with my bowl of cereal and the box in front of me and playing the games.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
well James Kennedy returned to social media and I'm grateful that he did because it reminded me that I was still following him and I needed to unfollow him so I was grateful for that I suppose I should unfollow him you know I forgot I followed him because he went ghost he wasn't popping up anymore and I just went out of my head and then the second I saw that little I was like oh my god get it out of here
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And then he keeps complaining. And I'm like, you can't complain when this was your, you're doing it.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
He posted three Instagram stories. The first one was of his coins.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Then the next was a selfie of him and his dog. Thank God for that. And then the third was like him, it was like him throwing the ball for his dog or like the sunset or like the park or something. So glad we got that update from him. Like, I mean, okay. But he needs to acknowledge that.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I 100% hope that that's been a private conversation between him and Ali. It 100% needs to be if it hasn't. But he also does need to address the world because he had fans. He had followers. He had people who supported him and loved him and showed up to his DJ sets. And he has people who were looking up to him.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
That sounds like it was your second night. And then I'm clearly still eating. I have to feed River. Nick's the cook of the family. I can't cook for shit. So I'm also suffering because I'm not eating good food like last night.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And now he's shown over and over and over and over and over again that he's still this person who's abusing women. And it's like you've got to...
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yes, I made River some pasta with some sauce and some broccoli, and so I had pasta and some broccoli. I had pasta last night. You know, it was very easy to cook pasta and pour some sauce over it.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I don't know. This isn't typical.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
People were doing this around like pop culture stuff and people were saying that you and I were going to get a divorce in 2025. Oh, that's so rude.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
She's going to have a second baby and they're also going to get a divorce. You got a busy year, girl.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Breaking news.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
This is not about what she needs. Listen. What do we think she will do? I think she will go athlete. And I think she'll go athlete because athletes have a sense of humor. She is funny. She needs someone funny. A lot of the time A-list actors are like kind of weird. They're really serious. They're very serious and like kooky, a little kooky. And I think she might be like, you're fucking weird.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
No thanks. And I think she might go for an athlete who's funny and rich.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Page six reports. Yeah, you're hangry. Nick Vile. Nick Vile.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I think they've got to bring someone back to New York if they're going to try to do another season.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Incredibly water fast. Very, very hangry. Like the most hangry I've ever seen anyone to walk the planet Earth.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I mean, they're definitely quiet on social media. So if that means anything to everyone, then they're absolutely broken up and hate each other. Going off of social media.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Oh, of course. Yeah, fuck that. She's definitely not going back to Jax.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
What kind of athlete? I'm thinking like rugby. No, I think a Lakers player.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
What about Paige?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I don't know who has more senses of humor. I feel like basketball.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, that's true.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Like, a younger... I don't think that would happen in 2025. Maybe 2026. Okay. I think if we put it out there, we're now putting it into Bravo's brain.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
As soon as she is officially axed from the show, he's gone. Then he sues her.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Once you run out, all you need is a restock, is a concentrate, and oxygen boost.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I do feel like I was a good wife when I did make myself a cup of coffee yesterday morning and you asked, how was it? And I said it was awful.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Unfortunately, I won't be able to decide off vibes because I do need to know, like, some, like, is anyone doing good or is anyone doing bad?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
No, no, no. But then Sutton tried to turn it as, like, a... I wasn't saying, like, you're unhappy with your life. I was just, like, saying, like, this is why, like, things... I was defending her. I was trying to... And just trying to let her know that maybe that... And I think she might have said it in a heated moment. Mm-hmm. What about her behavior in the Viper Room? You stand by that?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I don't act like that. What the fuck does that mean? Go on. I don't act like that.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. I'm probably Shannon Bedore. Oh, that's a good one. We should all make t-shirts. I don't understand why at the Viper Room they had Kesha in attendance, but Erika Jayne performed. That was hot. And it wasn't even a performance. It was a hype up. Let's hype up the crowd. Put your hands in the sky. I'm going to mouth the lyrics to my song.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
That is probably true. I do wish we would have seen more of a performance from Erika Jayne since she is such a performer. It felt like laziness. Not pizza party behavior. Hands in the sky. Yeah. Put your arms up.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Has anyone checked on Garcelle's Beach House? Oh my god.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But also, Justin, what should piss you off even more about him eating those is that he doesn't suck on them. He just immediately chews them up. So there is no savor of anything. Once the sour is gone, you have to. It's the same with cough drops, which I feel like defeats the purpose of a cough drop. Thank you. Because the lozenge is while you suck it and you swallow.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Problematic men. I will say I am disappointed in Griselle as a housewife this episode because she had the perfect opportunity to be a housewife in the Viper room when Kyle was like, have I talked to PK? Have I talked to PK? I mean, maybe in the last knowing damn well last episode, she was like, yeah, I've been talking to PK. PK Texas her. And Garcelle was silent. Garcelle said nothing.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I know Garcelle doesn't like Dorit, but in that moment you still could have been like, wait, Kyle, that's not what you told me on the boat. Let's go back a little bit.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But also, how is he a better friend to you if all you're sending are memes? Yeah.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
It's not a meme. It's just like a joke here and there. He's saying knock, knock, who's fucking there over text. It's probably mean memes about Doreen. That's what I was going to say.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And Kyle isn't like... Hey, Dorit, like, no, we're not cool right now, but I have heard from PK. He just sent me this meme. He sent me go piss girl.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I am glad they went around the table and all of them were like, yeah, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, that's fucking weird. Yeah, no thanks.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And then the rest of the episode is Kyle screaming with her veins popping out of her forehead.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I mean, I think with Kyle's response to the whole conversation, I mean, Dorit came in very just like, hey, it's chill. I just want to know, like, has he talked to you? Because he hasn't talked to me. So, like, has he talked to you? Kyle got weird. And then she started. It was like, I feel like.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I think Sutton was more manufactured than Kyle. That whole like whatever performance she was putting on at the table where everyone was kind of like, what's going on with her?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
She also was like, I didn't say I needed to be the first person that you call, but just a person that you call. It's like, so you're not a good friend. Like, just say it. You're not a good friend. You don't give a fuck about Dorit. You're not there if she needs you. Like, you are kicking her while she's down.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
He's in his own broth era.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
it's like people still go there for like um like people are obsessed i also thought it was getting shut down it should yeah it's very it's a very intimate do you think jeff lewis is mad that erica jane didn't hire him to do decorate decorate his house i was kind of mad for you is he an interior designer or is he more of like a architect builder i think he does a little contractor because it seems like she's just picking out new rugs and light fixtures
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And he's like, yes, it's going to elevate.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
No, I've given up on the gold wall. So I've given up on the gold wall and I don't give a fuck about it anymore. I'm just going to close my eyes every time I'm in the house. Plans have changed. Beautiful. Plans have changed. Nap time. Nap time. Every time I walk in. Yeah. Nap time. I'm deciding to put my money elsewhere, somewhere more important. Okay. Yeah. Sorry, I'm fiscally responsible. Whoa.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Sorry.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And how he's doing it wrong. Yeah.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I mean, a four-hour therapy session, A, sounds expensive.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
It sounds virtuous. It seems like really, like that therapist just had no other appointments that day.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
They were seeing no other patients.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Do you book one hour and then you're just like, we got to add on. We got to add on. Are we doing like team building activities?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Also, I feel like the therapist should have been like, hey, so it's been three and a half hours. We're actually not getting anywhere. So maybe let's table this. Go home. Sleep on it. See you tomorrow.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Are we breaking for lunch? Yeah, but also hourly.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
What did they do for the holidays?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Like, do I want a pizza for lunch or like burger?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
No. I mean, we did see Kyle and Mo all in Aspen with all their kids spending Christmas together. It's possible.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. Bombed. I wonder how he's feeling. Yeah, he can't be feeling good. Nikki Glaser. You shouldn't.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And they're always together.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But they were together. And in the same house. In the same house. That's what I'm saying.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
They're cooking dinners together.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And it's like, why wouldn't you? Why not? Well, can you hook up when your roommate's in the house?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Where's Teddy's kids? I think Teddy's back home. She posts her kids all the time. Her dove just got a big girl bed. She's posting her dearest eye in her bedroom.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Southern hospitality is... I love it.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I mean, I thought season three was fine. You know, I mean, Joe. Hook it up with Luann. Well, he claims it was just a make out. He just made out with her.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I don't.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I need everyone to tell Emmy that Will sucks. Yeah. Why is she like so jaded by him? They're like, yeah, Will came into the bar drunk and was talking about how much he hated her. And like several people have said this. And it's like, why does Emmy not know this yet?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
She just signed a three year deal with the Golden Globes.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Weird.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Also, I think Maddie, when the balloons flew away and she had a breakdown, was so relatable. I was like, and the fact that Joe was like, just get more balloons. That would piss me off even worse. I would cry even harder if that was your reaction. And such a man's response being like, I'll go.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And Party City is closing.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I know you wouldn't. You would have jumped up on top of that building and caught him. Brought him back down. Parkour it.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
They were. He was like, oh, no. But no, I absolutely, Maddie, I would have been sobbing right there with you.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, no one did.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
She owns like three bars. I'm kind of annoyed with TJ. Okay. He's kind of annoying to me. He's the reason I like the show. Really? I like TJ. He's nasty.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
i do like to refer to nick as um nicky v i think that's fun nicky v nicky v is close to nicky d yeah nicky d nick dorka i think anyone with a nick you got it yeah we forgot about him oh yeah i did but the way it said i was like wait i was like serious later never heard of that man before in my life so did i ever tell you my brother's name is nicholas no yeah my mom's name is mary
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
It is very scary. It is 0% contained as of this morning, and it just keeps going and going, and more fires keep starting, and all of PCH basically was on fire last night. The Palisades Village is completely burned to the ground. It's very sad. It's like, I just, it's, I can't believe it's real. I mean, it's just, it's heartbreaking.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I was wondering why their angles of the presenters was so off. It was weird.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
They always have a weird bit of like, what are you doing here?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
As much as y'all want us to stop talking about this, I also want to stop talking about it just to let everyone know. But unfortunately, it is just... He keeps running his mouth. Yeah, they're just... His lawyer keeps yapping.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
So, you know, we really... We cover the headlines.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
How do we know he didn't do this this morning?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
They're just playing some recording that he recorded at some point in his life. One day there's like no fucking time. There's no proof of when that was. And it's like she held you hostage in a basement, tied your arms around a pole with zip ties and was like, do not leave this basement or I will kill you like that.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And the head dentist is a man. And you're trying to build that rapport. You're trying to stay professional. Maybe he needs to come into the break room. You're like, oh, sure. Come on in. I'm just pumping. It's fine. I'm covered. Whatever. Come on in. He comes in. And then... From then on out, he just starts coming in without asking you. He doesn't even knock anymore.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Now he's like sitting in front. He's like starts to make you feel uncomfortable and awkward. And now you're like, OK, well, I was like, OK, with it that one time when I invited you. But now, like, it's getting really fucking weird. And like, you just keep showing up and you won't leave the room. And like, it's I have to take these pumps off and like my nipple might show like that.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
No one's, like, there's just, like, I just don't understand how, like, it happened one time. We have proof of her inviting him in her trailer one time while she's pumping and people are like, oh my God, see, she's a fucking liar. He never overstepped any boundaries.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
How does it make you feel?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
I think. Abby, when did you learn that? What was the very first time you learned that about David?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
First date. Wow. Blind date.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Where?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
You guys know dates of movies and when Lion King came out, right? You guys know that kind of trivia? Yeah, 1994.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
It's really amazing. When Abby was little, I remember she was like three and we were going to this doctor's office and I'd pass the exit on the freeway. We'd been to that doctor's office only once before and it was a year prior. And she pointed and she said, exit. And then we were in the drugstore going back a year later and the doctor who we saw one time It was a year later.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
We were in the drugstore in the downstairs in the big building. And she said, hello, doctor, whatever her name was. Hello, Dr. So-and-so. And I was like, come on.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Yeah, you did. What was the doctor's name?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
No, you know what? You should tell them what you've been trying recently. What have you tried new?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Oh, at Island's restaurant? I hope they have octopus.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
What if I ate a whole entire octopus? That would be concerning.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
I'm with you, Abby. Remember what happened when you were younger?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
That was quite an incident.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
She was only like, how old were you? Three? Four? Something like that. Luckily, the mom who was there had a son on the spectrum. So she was totally... And her son was older. So she guided me. She helped me understand. What did she give me? She grabbed you. She put water. She got ice cubes. And then she got ice cream on a stick. So she could put it. She did all this stuff.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And I just sat there going... Thank God this mom gets it. Yeah.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Yeah. You know that game, Simon?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Okay. So watch him play Simon. He got a high score. He's, how many times, David? Like, did you go 30 times? But he says it, five, five, two, six, eight, and he has a numerical verbal pattern that goes with the colors. I get to three. I do one, and then I'm out. Yeah. But it's really, you're so talented, David.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Wow.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
I don't think you worry too much, Abby, but one of your talents is your musical ability.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
But remember what you said, how do the fans make you feel?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Well, yeah. You've broken a lot of barriers. What about water parks? What about your slides you go down? Tell us. That, too. Were you afraid of all that, and then now you're not?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
When the preschool calls and tells you that.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
You better wash your mouth.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
But look how far you've come. You talk about that, right?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
That's something that people have. It's the sensory issues. But you've come so far, right, Abby? And what do you say about your language? What's our saying that we say? The more you practice, the easier it gets. And you've never given up how many years of speech?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
We write this music. We have a co-writer, different helpers. But she came to me and she said, autism feels like there's a girl living inside me. And as a parent, it made me go, because you're always going, what's it like for her? This is a completely different time-space continuum. I've got to get in it so I can help her and understand. And when she came to me, we really thought about that.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
When? Your first word.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Yes, you do.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Nope.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Your speech therapist, Beth, was sitting in her house and she... Bubbles!
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Abby, you need a squeezy ball. This one right there. Look. Yeah.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Christine, what was that like for you when she first started talking? The capacity of people with autism is so different. And so I always think of Abby on manual. You know, I have a son. He's only 19 months younger. And so I thought I was doing something wrong. Like, I must be at fault. I think all parents feel that when there's something different.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And then when my son came around, I was like, oh, this is why people have kids. Because I didn't do anything. He just was on autopilot. And she was on manual. Since Ben has ADHD. And everything had to be taught. Yeah. So there were miracles and there have been miracles. You guys, like I can't even, she was nine and she learned how to, you learned how to tie your shoe.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Remember how long it took for us for the bilateral coordination of that? Nine years. Cried my eyes out. Took two years of like constant daily thing.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Cried. And I also cried when she sang at the Greek theater on Saturday night in front of 6,000 people.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Who else sang on stage with you at a different part of the show? Billy Idol.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Yes. And do you know who closed the show? No. Neil Young.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Just saying.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
I can't even believe it because we started music therapy. Like she said, she could sing before you could talk. And you said, what did you say about music?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
You know, I come from 26 years of different and it was severe. Like the preschool called and said, your kid can't come here anymore. And I'm like, you're wrong. Everything's fine. So I came in the opposite way. Look, I've learned so much about this and there's definitely been an expansion of the diagnosis and that's a good thing.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And if you're asking questions about your neurology, something probably is going on. My brother had sensory issues undiagnosed his whole life because even today you have to be diagnosed autistic to really get any help for sensory processing disorder. It's not like really its own thing. We can't get it and then get services or help. You see what I'm saying?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And we're diagnosing his neurology and he's ADHD, but it's so severe. I can see the impact in his life. And it's so sad there's not services for people that don't show external symptoms. It's internalized. That's a whole population. That population does not cross over with this population. This is different.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
This is like massive interventions, diagnosis at young, countless thousands and thousands of hours that I've spent in therapy rooms talking with different things. And she went to an autism school. She's still in speech. I'm still learning, like all that sort of stuff.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
So a lot of people who have low support needs, these are the people with internalized struggles, will say, we don't need to have categories of autism. It's just autism. And I would say the problem with that is then how do you create a treatment plan to help someone? How do you do that? There's so many young parents that reach out to me and say, what do I do? And I have to say, are they talking?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Are they in school? Are they engaging? Are they learning? Are they engaged? Because Abby, when you were young, she did not engage in the world. She was completely isolative. And we had to do certain therapies to bring her out. But ours was obvious. So how do you help people?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And the profoundly autistic community, I'll tell you what, I sat in a support group when she was little and adorable and sweet and isolative. And I heard a mom cry over the fact that she had to choose putting her 13-year-old son in a facility forever because she couldn't handle him anymore because it was that profound autism.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And I'll never forget sitting there watching the tears of her and her husband having decided to do this. And I felt like this was a parent support group when you were young. And I was so moved by that woman. I still remember her face. I still remember her sitting in the chair. And I thought, I don't have that. I'll never know what that's like.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And so to honor everybody, I think we need better language to help people so that we can create supports for the internalized autism, the communication disorder autism, the profound autism.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
That could be part of profound autism. Those parents have a struggle.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Well, some people are non-speaking and some people are non-verbal.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Well, internalized autism or neurodivergency, we could use the word Asperger's up till 2013. And then a bunch of psychiatrists got together.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
You used to want to say, I have Asperger's.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Because you knew that in general... People that have a neurodivergent condition or Asperger's didn't have massive speech delays, usually. How come I didn't say I have no speech delay? Well, you were angry because there was an Asperger class at her school. And those kids had a slightly different treatment plan. They were educated differently.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
But then in 2013, think about she's 15 years old. We had friends that were diagnosed with Asperger's and all of a sudden we couldn't say it anymore. But they had skills she only dreamed of having. So you see, that's why it's confusing for us. We want to respect everyone.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
I'm trying to create HR policy in companies to address the needs of neurodivergent employees. Like have a manual. If your colleague is neurodivergent, they need a sensory break. They might be amped up. If the fire alarm goes off, they're going to need 20 minutes to reacclimate because that noise is going to startle them and dysregulate their nervous system.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
But that doesn't necessarily exist in a lot of companies. So I'm trying to, that's not my population, but we have a lot of friends that are in that population. And then I have people I follow who have the profound autism. And I tell you, those moms are my heroes. I'm nothing compared to that mom because they're really dealing with some life-changing circumstances. So there's good in it.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
I just hope the language gets better and that people can come together in love instead of the wildfires of TikTok, which is not pretty. I try not to get, oh boy, it's not pretty. But I will tell you, I do it for the parents. I get messages from around the world. Look, California is a generous state. We have a lot of resources. Not everyone has access to that.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And so I try to just share what I've learned and what I've done to help other people. That's it.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
What do you feel when they're having conversations?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
That's kind of like still a self-awareness of not being able to facilitate what your brain is telling you to do. And that's been always a thing for us. It's like literally a neurological disconnect. And some days you're a rock star. And like, it's insane.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
You have brown eyes and you have brown eyes and your daughter has brown eyes.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And Abby's brother was born and he did not have blue eyes. I was like, wrong baby. Take him away.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
When I was little, when I was a kid. This was because you couldn't get words out. Yeah. So instead of actually having words, Abby came up with some amazing gestures instead. Show us. This is what it looks like. Snake. When she was mad. That's people.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
What was that one?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
You know how people do the squishy head thing?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
That's what I'm like. Out of the blue, she just was like mad at someone and she just looked at them and kind of eyed them.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And I was like, that's brilliant.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
There's many different emotions. I like that movie Inside Out. That's been a tremendous help for you. Why don't you talk about that?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
She really learned a lot from that movie. I'd say the hardest thing for this kind of autism is understanding emotions, their feelings, and putting words to those feelings. Abby's a Gestalt language learner, which I found out on TikTok. I first I thought it was some like fake thing that I really started looking at.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
It's been around for a couple of decades, but it's not incorporated in the fabric of speech. But it's learning language through lived experience. So understanding that if something happens like a dog barks and you get startled, you know, that feeling of like, that's not a great feeling.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
And what I do when I hear a dog barking. But you just didn't like it. But then you would say, instead of saying, I'm startled, you'd say the dog's barking whenever she felt startled.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
But it's really the feeling of startled.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Come and get you. Oh, that's a visual memory reference. Yeah.
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
You remember the day?
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E930 - Love On The Spectrum’s Abbey & David, Karen Read, Battle Camp Host, The Valley & Clayton Vindicated
Wow. Remember the zoo we just went to? That was kind of cool. Private zoo. Remember what it was called? Abby, remember the zoo?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
They're like...
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
really really mean comments and it's crazy because i saw these two it was like back to back so it's millie bobby brown and then it was pamela anderson who's like gone very natural she like doesn't wear makeup on the red carpet anymore into pamela anderson they're all saying like oh my god like you've got to put on makeup like this is you like are aging yourself you look so old this is this like it's ugly millie bobby brown it's like she's doing too much she looks too old you know just like the hypocrisy of that but millie bobby brown posted a instagram video
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
saying she wanted to take a moment to address something that I think is bigger than just me, something that affects every young woman who grows up under public scrutiny. I started in this industry when I was 10 years old. I grew up in front of the world and for some reason people can't seem to grow with me.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
The fact that adult writers are spending their time dissecting my face, my body, my choices, it's disturbing. And then she basically calls out every... Not every, but a few... Read the headlines that they wrote, and then the person who wrote it was...
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
So I posted a mirror picture of my outfit. Very boring, very basic, very typical, like throw it on the story type of post. And I received a DM from this woman and she says... This might be one of my faves.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Yeah.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
And it's like, but it is crazy that Matt Lucas's response is I would not have posted it if I had thought it would have upset you. But I realize it has. And for that, I apologize. It's like, Really? You wouldn't have posted that if you thought it would upset her? You didn't think a mean comment about her body and about her would upset her?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
I fucked up. I thought it was funny. Definitely not funny. My bad. I apologize.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
To think that you're in a position to come after a 21-year-old woman's looks and it's him is...
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Sorry, I have to unfollow you. The fact that you post only things about yourself is not for me. I know a lot of your followers want to know what's going on in your life. I don't care. However, I do care what you end doors. End doors. E-N-D-D-O-O-R-S.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Telling Page Six.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Cocaine.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
I mean, it's great of him that he's able to come out and admit that. I'm sure that was very hard for him to do. I feel for Brittany. I feel like she is finally able to kind of like speak more honestly about their relationship. I'm sure she was like protecting this forever.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
for him so she actually did come out and say i'm glad that he finally admitted to what was really going on for the first time i can speak openly about the extent of trauma he's instilled on our family over the years i've tried desperately to help him without success i pray that one day he completely knocks this addiction but i'm skeptical his behaviors are still alarming and his treatment plan seems to be the bare minimum
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
I'm trying to navigate this as best as I can for my son and I, but every day is still a challenge and very difficult. Jax has caused an enormous amount of damage, and I have very little trust in him at this point. My only hope is that one day he will be a better person for his son.
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I mean, he's admitting in this kind of conversation with Page Six, he's saying that, like, he lost it and went crazy in the car with his son, Cruz, in the backseat, which is why he went back to rehab. That's when he said, shit, I have a problem. It's still there. That's crazy. And that's after seeing a man's name on Brittany's phone. That, like, he had his son in his car and...
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lost it and went crazy in the car.
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Are the doors in the room with us? I'm not sure. End doors. And your beliefs. Just a little too much self-centered post for me. Happy life to you.
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But then clearly behind closed doors was treating his family like shit and doing drugs. Absolutely.
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I mean, even Brittany is like, this isn't enough. You're doing the bare minimum.
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And then she did, in fact, unfollow.
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I don't feel like I, she cares about what, like the shirt I indoors and like pants I indoors. But if it's me, she's not interested.
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Well, what I did watch is Beverly Hills Housewives.
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And it was just as iconic. She's awesome. Her limping coming out. I think I broke my knee. Of the thing.
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Do you want to have to read and see?
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You know, as nervous as Sutton was, you know, she was like, get the fuck away from me.
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I know. So much. And Kyle's like, no, no. She's like, who has bigger boobs?
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No, can't.
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It was like, I got to tell her I'm unfollowing her immediately.
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No, she sent in doors with confidence. Yeah.
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No, Nick is bad. I'll be like, oh, my God. He was just with a friend. And then I'll be like, did you hear? What happened? And he'll be like, I don't know. I didn't ask. Guys talk shit.
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You know, I mean, I guess I just feel like if you're going to send someone kind of like not a nice message being like, hey, what you post isn't for me. I'm out of here. Maybe like spell things right. Yeah. I don't know.
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And it's all you can tell it's like all underlying jealousy.
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Which is always what it is.
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Yeah, you tell them something that's exciting and they're like, oh. But what if this happens? Someone hit her car on her way to that meeting.
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It was very, I had fallen asleep, so I didn't see this, but I did see a clip of it. And it was someone saying like, this is the most perfectly acted, like the facial expressions where she's like talking about the people in Texas, like being Republicans. She's like, well, they're nice people. And she's like, wait, are you a Republican? She's like, no, I'm an independent.
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Her Wild Things.
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I know. One of my favorite quotes is like, this is an airport. You don't need to announce your departure.
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It's awesome. It's like since I was 18 and a half.
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It's so funny, though, because I remember going through that stage myself of being like,
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super super Christian I remember my older sister Caroline I like told her I was like sitting on the couch reading the Bible and she comes in like bitch are you serious and I was like well that's why you're going to hell we're like I definitely had that stage of my life and it seems like Lola is giving that kind of energy to Sammy right now the cuts between like her getting Sammy getting ready for the rave being like we have Narcan this is and then this Narcan was crazy and then the sister in her prayer group I'm like this
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I do, actually.
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Kylie Jenner and Carrie Coon are agreeing that you should be using nipple cream on your lips.
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But at least they're thoughtful. They're being safe enough.
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Who gives it to everybody?
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Really?
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Yes. Nipple cream is like when. Yes. Nipple cream is what you use when you're breastfeeding because they're like cracked and hurting and burning.
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So a lot of people have been reposting it like that's the most relatable thing of like... There's nothing that eats my purse faster than a picnic table.
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Like, jamming a plastic knife into this, like.
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She's like, we're going to make it. It's it's it's so family. Which is funny. It reminds me of Meghan Markle's like little documentary she's come out with or show that she's come out with. And it's the opposite of Denise Richards. Well, no. Well, she talks the amount of just like plastic Meghan Markle uses in her home. And it's supposed to be very like earth friendly and all this stuff.
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Yeah. Some would say like your lips. So they're saying if you put nipple cream on, you don't have to put as much chapstick on. If your lips are chapped, they're not burning. Sure. Yeah. Okay.
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And everyone's like the amount of plastic bags that you're using right now. And like the amount of balloons. Are you serious? Petroleum. That's what we're doing.
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They're like lounge chairs, layout chairs. They're so comfortable, but they're also so bougie and like nice looking. They're such great quality. I have sent the link to them to so many people. That I know because they are so good.
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What ideas would they get from that? Like you have herpes or something?
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Yeah. You know, dipping in different ponds, you know, totally, literally. Was it like culty vibes or like, okay.
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Oh, okay. It's okay. You're in safe company. So no street smarts.
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Idiot.
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Well, when they're chapped, they do burn. Sunburn. Hot sauce. They're red and burning.
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Well, I will say I'm chronically online and I had never seen it or heard of it. Oh, wow. Yeah. What a relief. There are some of us out there.
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So you just know you and love you for your music.
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Did everything just feel loud?
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Yeah, I was going to ask if you have and what it looks like your like relationship with social media today.
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Was it kind of like once I redeem myself and do it once I'm like, that's all I have to do. Yeah.
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Would you be pissed if you told your best friend the name for our next baby and then they used it?
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Nick and I say this all the time. I mean, it's why we don't ever like.
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You would be livid.
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really open up that much about that kind of stuff is because it will no one cares like no one cares about the truth they just want to run with the fun story that they've made up and it's going to go viral like no one cares about like your apology video it's never going to go as viral as like what whatever happened you know so it's never worth it I feel like because it's just not going to
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It's not going to go the way that you think it's going to go.
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No, I would definitely be a little upset. But I think also it's like, we'll just have two of the same names. Like, who cares?
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So like this was good. But remember last time?
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But yeah. Well, you have come out. With a new song, Footprints.
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Was that your plan? Were you like, I want to come back and I want to come back with an amazing song?
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no matter what hardships you go through, it looks different for everyone. You can come out of it. You can find the light. You can do all of the things because you were able to do it. And you are that example to them of it might not be easy, but it's doable. Yeah, exactly.
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Without that thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, totally. You did get to tour with Stevie Nicks. I did. How was that experience?
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Would you cut them off?
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You would no longer be friends with them?
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This is stemming from a mom says her best friend stole her baby name and she wants to know if she should cut her off. She said the woman was getting her hair done by her best friend, who's her stylist, and they were discussing her baby name pics as the friend was struggling to find a name. The woman brought up that her pic was Evelyn May.
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write songs and then have other artists sing them or like does that feel good to you or is it kind of like weird because it's like you wrote it but then you're like honored because someone else is singing but
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Fast forward to the friend giving birth and the friend took Evelyn and also May.
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Not also May. The hyphen is what really gets me. I don't know if it's hyphen. I think it is first middle. First middle. Yeah.
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Oh, first and middle. But it's like I have always loved the name Scarlett and the name Charlotte. I loved the name Scarlett when I was like 10 years old. You shouldn't have been naming kids. And then my sister had a baby named Scarlett. And then my cousin had a baby named Charlotte. And I was like, oh, my God, people. Seriously. And my sister was like, listen, name your kid Scarlett.
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Are you putting a razor on your legs?
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It will be interesting. We have a 13-month-old daughter and it will be interesting to see like what kind of things she goes through.
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And the personality. Yeah, it'll be weird. It'll be weird.
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You were playing the Grand Ole Opry this weekend. I am. It's kind of a big deal. Have you done it before?
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Name your kid Charlotte.
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Do you think the men should get... I'm not asking you. No. Do you think the men should get as much say in the baby's name? Because they get last name. Yeah. And you carry and birth and do everything for the baby. You breastfeed. You go through postpartum. Do you think your names trump dad's names? I think so.
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The stuff that pops into his brain, I'm like, you are one of a kind.
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I think so too. But she died and that's her ghost.
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Yeah, yeah. Definitely not going to happen in season two.
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Congratulations on Footprints.
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Thanks. Huge fan. Love her. Even bigger than I was before.
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Really funny.
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She's a great... Honestly, she's just, like, a great outlook, I think, on life. And I guess sometimes it takes going through that kind of thing to, like, you know... I mean, let's be real.
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On my 21st birthday, I was so hammered and I was crying because I just wanted to go home and my brother told me to shut the fuck up and stop crying. And he's had to apologize to me since.
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Even when you're not drunk.
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I didn't get to meet you last time.
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I wasn't here. I don't know what was. Maybe we didn't have a babysitter or something. I don't know.
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You've also never said thank you for sharing.
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It's so nice to hear.
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How much extra time did you get? Like 10 minutes?
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They would definitely be like a thief.
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That's true. He did call her TT.
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He likes a nickname.
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I think I might have said that you did her a little dirty with the conversation on The Rock where she's like, listen, if it's not me, I'll go. And you were like, I'm kind of locked in. And then you sent her home that night.
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Yeah. Nick thinks that was a producer.
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Why not let her go in that moment? Because he didn't get the...
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And I saw something, I saw something with her. And
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after that happened it kind of just it went it spiraled after that so i feel like alicia kind of caught people the most off guard just because night one you had a great kiss you had great chemistry right and then she kind of disappeared and then she was gone the next night right was there anything that like happened or was it just like there's just so many other women here that i'm
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yeah i don't know i don't know i don't know um are you nervous i mean obviously women tell all has been filmed it airs this monday this upcoming monday right does it next monday this month that was an argument we had earlier next monday or this monday this monday i believe right do you well what what well how would you describe would you say this monday or next monday
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Okay. How did that go for you? Were you nervous? Were you questioned? Were you interrogated?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
It's like when you start like hooking up with a guy who drives like a white truck and then you start seeing a white truck everywhere, you know, and you're like, oh, my God, there he is. There he is. Oh, my God, he's at Walmart. Oh, my God, he's at McDonald's. And then it's just a white truck. And it's like, yeah, we saw we saw River everywhere.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
And Zoe. We still have Zoe.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Okay. What would like your nights look like? Are we like going out to dinner? Are we cooking? Are we watching a movie? Are we hitting the clubs?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Yeah, her family did very much not hold back that she's ready for children.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
And where would y'all be living?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
No, there's Goodfellas and Godfathers.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
You know what Nick said the other day? He hasn't made a bed since middle school.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Yeah, I remember that. Well, Gabby Wendy married Robbie Hoffman.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
That is not true because if he gets into a bed that's not made, he's like, really wish this was made.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Right before you get in at night, you can like straighten out the sheet.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Well, I love Letia so much. So I'm hoping it's her. Jules has been my day one. I will say on first episode, I picked Letia and Jules to be final two.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
She did.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
How exciting. They did it in a $799 Las Vegas wedding. And it looked like it was just the two of them and I guess a priest and I guess a photographer. That's how you do it.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
I think it was just, I saw the connection. I think they are both so stunning. I think they're both so smart. I think they're funny. I think y'all had a good connection. I want it to be Latia just because...
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
I just see it. I just see it. We did say that Letia looks like she is like a creature, like a siren, like a creature from like a fantasy.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
But obviously if it's Juliana, I also like love her and like wanted you to pick her as well. You know what I'm saying? I am team both.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Did you see that Alex said that you playing?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Maybe Elvis. I don't know.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
You tried.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
when you released Party Girls. Great song. Great song. Great song. First of all.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
In Vegas? You don't think it'd be someone dressed up like a priest?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Why would I say presider?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Oh, officiant.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Yeah. That's $799. I feel like with Gabby looking the way she did, a.k.a. stunning and an amazing dress. I feel like I looked for that dress for my welcome party. So glad she found it. Yeah. His very own brand for Gabby Wendy. To like look so stunning and be like, it was $799.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
That's not true. They have dresses that they're not all custom. You can make a custom if you want to like pay for it. But they have a lot of dresses that like everyone else wears. And I remember I definitely I would get like mad at them, like play mad, but also like
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
If you bitches don't lock it the fuck up because they would be like posting my dress on their Instagram being like, oh, the gale is like so beautiful and this and that. And I would be like, stop it. You're showing people my dress. And it was like I was the only one who knew that it was my dress. But I definitely would get mad at them for sharing it. So but I would be just as pissed, I think.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Are they even still officially exes? Has he signed divorce papers in prison?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
I have to read y'all a DM that I got.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Was it this Monday or last Monday?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
But he did have a response to Adrian Brody's Oscar speech in mentioning his children.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
His publicist said that. He said, fuck that and fuck them.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
That's true.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
They could quit.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
They could quit.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
You're getting paid.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Yeah. Did you see Millie Bobby Brown shut the fuck?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Did you see Millie Bobby Brown shut all of these journalists up?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
She named names. And Matt Lucas, we think he's in a position to talk about anyone's appearance. Have you seen this man?
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
Yeah.
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E895 - Grant Ellis, Ingrid Andress, White Lotus, RHOBH, Denise Richards Premiere, and Stolen Baby Names
This is the man who she one of the one of the men who she called out Millie Bobby Brown. Oh, for commenting about her appearance.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I'm excited. I love the Valley. Mm-hmm.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Yeah.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
It's big on Survivor and Big Brother because they have legacies. They have people like Boston Rob is a name from Survivor history. They take a lot of pride in being good gamers and legends from these shows.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Just be like, The Bachelor is the most competitive...
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Oh.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
We love that.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
Really? You didn't say that? You didn't say, I see my wife in this room?
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
He knew.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
harder on album on record we speak in shorthand these days one of the songs is called american requiem 27 27 that's actually a lot of so many okay i will say and it's an art piece if there's 12 songs that are fully country it's a country album okay here's my god here's the argument against
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
What day of the week starts the week? Who invented the calendar app? According to most Western calendars, Sunday is considered the first day of the week. However, the international standard ISO 8601. Oh, my God. Oh, I don't care about that. Designates Monday as the first day of the week.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
I was just going to circle us back to the Grammys for a second because I wanted to say justice for Babyface.
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E880 - RHONY w/ Rebecca Minkoff, Southern Hospitality w/ Maddi Reese, Paige/Craig Split, RHOBH, and Beyoncé
No. Well, he's not jumping Carl's bones. Objectively hot. He's hot.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, if we want to like get into it, Snow White was 14 and Ariel was 15.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Do they specify how many years go by? They just say as the years.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
No.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Thank you.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
So, it's our subject. Short story. Short story. Not much to say.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah. Anyway. Also, Escape to Witch Mountain. I used to watch that every day.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
When I was a kid, I used to watch that all the time.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
I just watched it again recently. Escape 2, Escape From, Escape... Was Kyle in all those? No, Kim was in Escape 2, Witch Mountain.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, according to Glenn Powell's mom, Cindy, they are definitely not together. Yeah. She said, we love Sid, Sydney. We've considered her just a really, really good friend. We were all together so much and we haven't seen her in a long time. She's really a friend and we all enjoy her. There's nothing going on behind closed doors. Hmm.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
This week or this year?
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Well, who do we have on today? Let's see who we could piss off today.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
It's a great one, yeah.
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E912 - Giacomo Gianniotti, Iliza Shlesinger, RHOBH Reunion, White Lotus, and Sydney Sweeney’s Breakup
Intimate. Really?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And listen, at the end of the day, like I think most people spend time trying to figure out whether their partner was a narcissist because then you get to be in that club too.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Did you date a narcissist too? Like, were you a victim of your ex? Like we, you know, there's a lot of bad behaviors and a lot of it is through us, you know? And like, we are, we are not becoming a society that's more emotion. Like, yeah, we're more, we're taking care of our mental health better. You know, we are more aware about that, but a lot of people like, We've just become big babies.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
We've become emotionally non-resilient and entitled people who feel like our feelings are just about us. And if we feel something, then everyone else needs to stop and recognize those feelings. And everyone's doing that. So then you walk into a room and everyone's doing that to you. Everyone's a fucking narcissist because you're like, I'm feeling sad and no one cares. What is going on?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And everyone else is like, well, I'm feeling angry and no one cares. And another person's like, well, I'm anxious and no one cares. I must be only hanging out with narcissists because only narcissists could see my anxiousness and not give a fuck.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So to me, like this call is less about like what your ex was. What he is, is not in a relationship with you anymore. I think reflecting on just like, what are the subtleties when you're in relationships, both like your picker, the men you're dating and just like, as you get old, you're 28.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Try to give me a quick example of what you mean. Yeah, so...
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I didn't know where it was going to go when you were going to describe your social life, but I was ready to say you need to grow up. I don't know if I'm in a position to say that because your social life sounds more than reasonable and a lot of fun. I think the fact that you have this friend group is beautiful and you should hold on to that as much as you can.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
That being said, friends from earlier life can prevent you from wanting to grow up. And if you really want a partner to have a family with, you're going to have to make sacrifices. We have the perfect kid. She's so fucking easy. We're really lucky. And she's a lot of fucking work.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And it's just like every day now, we've had a lot going on lately, but it's like we wake up and we blink and we're late for her bath at night. And we are so lucky because we can have help. A lot of people don't have the help that we have available to us. And I'm just saying, you need a partner and you don't get to just go on monthly girl trips or quarterly girl trips.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And you just might, you know, you might find a partner who is pretty damn great and you love and, you know, really just a good, solid guy, but just might be a little passive aggressive and a little emotionally needy at times that he will have to work through and maybe get therapy and couples therapy. And I'm not saying you have to, but like, you know what I'm saying?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Like, I don't know, like everything is a choice. You're not going to find someone perfect. And then the question becomes, is that something you need to do?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know, do you, are you stubbornly going to these trips and whether it's your smoking weed or, or just having fun with your girls, do you need to be a little bit more attentive to your partner rather than being the, you know, the girl who's just like, oh my God, my man's so fucking needy. Oh God, like God, I need an alpha male. Like, I mean, even the alphas are big babies, you know?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And I'm really good at being indifferent. I'm awesome at it.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But for the people in your life that you want to, I don't know, grow a family with, you can't be, you know what I'm saying? Like how I treat Natalie is very different.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
then how i treat you know and you could debate whether that's a good thing but like i you know i love my people and other i i'm very you know if there's one thing i preach on this show is being mindful of your emotional energy and what who you give it to and how you give it and like i'm i do try to practice what i preach and part of that is just like i give more shits about my people than anyone else and i don't have the bandwidth for stupidity or like people who are just like aren't in my fucking
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
There's more bad options than good options. And just because you generally date men 10 years older than you, which I think is, I think makes a lot of sense for what you're describing. I don't think you're going to find a lot of 28 year old men in a position to give you what you're looking for right now, but there's always exceptions to every rule. And you should be open to those exceptions always.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Listen, like, you know, you're describing the more standards you have for yourself, the harder it is to find someone who can meet those standards. I mean, it is what it is. That being said, I would challenge you. And I say this as someone I think I've had to do that as I've gotten older. I mean, you're clearly a confident person. That's great. That's a very valuable asset to have.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
The more confident you are, the more at risk you are to not being as self-aware as you think you are about yourself or your shortcomings or the way people talk behind your back or ways you fall short in a relationship. We all do. Because I think really confident people Listen, confidence does come from a level of fucking delusion.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
The problem with self-awareness is that it does a little bit, it affects your confidence. Going on TV, you're kind of forced to become, I've always prided myself in self-awareness, but the more self-aware I've gotten, the more insecurities have come up. So it is a balance.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Well, they're just like, they have their pick of the litter.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Okay. So he, you, he just, it's like, so there's a pattern of all of a sudden his mood changes. You notice he's treating you a certain way. And then you realize you need to figure out why.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I think it definitely is. You can't have such high expectations that includes only dating 1% of men.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And then expect them and then be so annoyed by their emotional limitations, gaps or immaturity because like, hey, you got some of yours and part of your requirement of this 1% man is to be able to handle your emotional shortcomings.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
It's like you kind of, and I'm having a bit of fun with you here, but.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know, cause your confidence is important. Like it's a value. You should cherish that. But you have, I think you need to be humbled a little bit
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You mentioned your heart. It's like, listen, you are like, people don't like you.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I could say that to literally anyone. you know, and if people don't know that, you know, and the list and great news, because for anyone who I say, people don't like you, then I would say you're a fake person. You can't be a real, you know, if everyone likes you, then you are an inauthentic person. Who's just a chameleon to like, please people. And you,
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But people, but, but again, you can't be, you can't be someone who keeps it real and all that likable. You know, the more you keep it real, the more critics you're going to have. So like, you know, and so I think you walk around and I can say this to you because I feel like I have done this in life and I do this in life.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You walk around as if like you're right about everything and everyone thinks you're awesome for it. Yeah.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You might be right, but the more right you are, the more you will piss people off.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Now, let me ask you this. Like, do you really have no clue or do you play dumb?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I think what you're describing, you feel like you're at describe of acting just kind of like you don't give a fuck about anything.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
but do you act in different, like when you're on these girl trips, are you just kind of like, like with your passive aggressive exes, are you countering their passive aggressiveness? But like, Oh God, I just, my God, you're so annoying.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And so in this moment, what do you possibly think he's mad at?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yeah. When you had the lump in the throat.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
OK, but like you could be with those were the only two possibilities, regardless of his level of anger. I feel like you can say that, you know, well, listen, he, I think any logical person could think to themselves, maybe I didn't handle it the best way. Maybe they're upset about it. Fair. But like, we've only been dating for a month and like, I mean, I definitely didn't do anything wrong.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know, there might've been a miscommunication. We can handle it. But like, I know I didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like there might be an apology. You know, I'm not saying you're supposed to workshop this in your mind while at the wedding, but if you have a lump in your throat, like you can literally just be like, I mean- I didn't fuck another guy.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And what surprises you, that he's upset about it or how elevated his emotions are over...
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I mean, what do I, you know, I didn't like what I don't. Yeah. Like I didn't do any, you know, the lump in the throat is this like, you know, and I get it. Like I know I'm kind of reducing this down, but like my point is you can't, emotional intelligence is like the ability to, to process the triggering emotion that we all feel, that fight or flight emotion, that calling our child to take over.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And then working through that and then having your adult self kind of be like, hey, by the way, We're not, we're not six anymore. He might have a right to be upset. I can definitely talk to him. Maybe there's some things I could have communicated better, but like, I still have the right to have fun at my friend's wedding.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And I'm sure he will understand because he's an adult and like, well, this, this will be a step in the right direction. Even if it caused a little frustration on his part, like you should be able to workshop that and then go have fun.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
a lack of safety the sense that he would just be done over something small like that and so that's harder but like yeah again you still have to be i have the control you have to be able to be like well that would be crazy if he would leave me for this then like i guess he's not who i thought he was yeah like that you know what i'm saying like because it would be crazy you know
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
That would be like something fucking Carrie on Sex and the City she would pull. She would do that shit.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So, no, but he, I mean, in that scenario, he would be Carrie. But yeah, I mean, listen, like, you know, and I don't know, maybe it's some abandonment, but like, yeah, you got to work through, I don't know, maybe you got some abandonment issues or something. I don't know. Maybe. I'm sure a lot of people listening would say, and maybe you do, but.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Again, back to the, it's great to be able to identify, but I have abandonment issues. I think everyone does. If you've had a broken heart, if someone's fucked you up by saying, I don't want you anymore, congratulations, you have abandonment issues. But again, that doesn't mean that you can't work through and get better and improve.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And it's not an excuse to allow yourself to have a lump in your throat at a At a friend's wedding that you're supposed to enjoy because you're some guy you've been talking to for a month is being super weirdly passive aggressive for not inviting you.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
This is something 22 year olds have a big fight about two months and you know, at the same timeline.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I don't know. I guess maybe we're arguing over semantics and it's maybe just how we define it. But like, I think passive aggressive can still be really aggressive, right?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I don't know, something. What do you want from this? I mean, anytime you're thinking, oh, should I reach out to an ex, right? You really got to ask yourself, why do you want to do this?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yeah, I mean, as someone who really like, I don't think, I appreciate you talking about your character. I honestly think we live in a time where like our character isn't just something most people even consider or talk about. So I think it's great that you do. But the way you're using the word character right now, I think it's a clever way of your ego saying like, I'm not that kind of person.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
In a way, it's like an excuse to like, I mean, who gives a shit what he thinks about you? If you think this man is really not doing well out of your selfishness or your actions, and you think you're actually helping this person out by just offering him some clarity, you don't think he has, then sure. But like, do you think he's really not fine? You know, do you think maybe he's just, I don't know.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But like moral, like, listen, I don't, this sounds like you guys had a conversation and it just kind of ended. And it was almost like you're both pretty, you know, like we're both hurt by it in different ways.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
It just in a more passive fucking irritating way. Yes. Coupled with like just the extreme passive aggressive nature, but you know what I'm saying? So like just because they're not, you know, flying off the handle or screaming or elevating their voice or, or slamming doors doesn't mean they're not like overreacting.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
If you want to listen, I'm not saying don't call him, but if you want to like, if it's like a letter, I'm scared of it.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So, I mean, that's, you're describing a person who like when he hurt, when he's hurt, you know, like the hurt.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know, so a 40 year old man, when he gets, it gets petty and mean.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
We all hurt people when we hurt, but like. That's that's just that's petty. And so, I mean, if he's if he's petty at 40, this is who he is. If you are going to date older men, then you should have a shorter leash. You should, you know, hire slow, fire fast.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Well, this is, you know, 40 year old men don't change much.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
If a 40 year old man is going to lose his shit over you not inviting him to a wedding, you know, and, you know, and then be petty and mean about it and say things about like how you dress in a way that's not meant to be like, you know, I just like that other one, but better, you know, like, you know, sometimes I've said that and I was like, oh, I probably shouldn't have said that.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know, but if he's just like, you know, honestly, your jewelry makes you look like a blah, blah, blah, you know, and it's mean and it cuts and it hurts. And it's just like, I'm just saying, this is who they are. You cannot expect much growth from these men, you know?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
The only hope of dating someone younger and not at risk is they're not, you know, for the ladies out there who are dating men in their 20s, he might change. He ain't changing for you. And it's not going to be for at least five to 10 years. So don't be waiting for any change. But you know what I'm saying? But for you, I wouldn't be accepting a lot of bad behavior with middle-aged men.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You definitely could find a guy who is just like, you go to his apartment and he's got fucking baseball caps and movie posters on his wall. And you're like, how old are you? He just might need a good woman in his life. But how he treats people, how he treats his girlfriend, how emotional reactive he is. Yeah, that's not going to change. That's not changing.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I'm not going to find someone I like as much, which is only dating a six foot attractive, which I don't.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
financially successful men are they're not they're yeah they're pretty terrible you're literally looking for less than one percent of people out there yeah just i mean i think listen aim big i did too but like you know um there you go you do have to accept and acknowledge that uh and if you're gonna if your standards are going to be that high you better be fucking great right you know just just know that you know you better you better bring your
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So we would agree that what you're saying is you're more shocked by what feels like an overreaction to whatever it is that's upsetting him.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Listen, if you think there's something here with this guy and you reflect on this conversation and you think, listen, there's definitely... No, there isn't. I demonstrated some red flags. He did too. And I want to clear the air. Maybe there's something there. But if this is about closure in your reputation or your... My ego. Let it go. Just move on.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Because I can see like the example you gave about like getting a plus one. You know, we could, I think honestly, like we could probably have, I could have a 45 minute discussion on my podcast about like, What do you do in that situation? What do you do in that situation? Listen, it's a barometer. Stuff like that early in a relationship, it is a relationship barometer.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
and critiqued me about things that i'm so surprised would even come to his mind yeah then you need to you definitely need to move on because yeah i need to just drop it like this is about your ego and it's just like you want to claim victory or the moral high ground in this relationship not necessarily consciously but you realize that you said some shit too and you're not perfect so you want to like kind of clean that mess up so that you can be right
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Okay. Well, with these types of questions, my first question is always, why do you care about your ex?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I can't stand it. Yeah, that's a you problem for sure.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Well, that's what's, listen, like I will, to make some excuses for you and all of us in the world is like, that's the problem. the way we have taken these words like narcissism, you know, because the truth is, is 99% of all breakups are just breakups. And like, you're supposed to hate your ex and you're supposed to fucking be angry and then focus on all the fucking things they said.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And then if you were described that to a friend, they're supposed to hate them too. Because they're your friend. That still doesn't mean they're a narcissist. But instead, now we've used these words to be like, oh, he's a gaslighting motherfucking narcissist. You dated a sociopath. And bonus, now in addition to getting over him, you get to be a victim.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
He's my next call. He's wondering if you're a narcissist, by the way. Yeah.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I think we all just like, we have to allow people not to like us. We have to allow people to think we're their bad guy. You are the villain in probably many people's stories.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
It's not for you to like have any feeling about. It's really even none of your business, but like just to be aware of it and acknowledge and accept it. Just let it happen. That's not an excuse to be rude and say, I don't give a fuck. You don't be kind so that other people think good things of you. You be kind because it's kind, you know? It feels good, yeah. So, all right?
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All right, well, go forth and prosper. Good luck out there.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
How does this person feel about me? What kind of priority am I to this person? There's several different layers or ways to interpret things, but either way, when you break it down, it is a barometer. And so he is absolutely justified to be like, oh, well, I mean... Okay, yeah. Like he could be upset about it, right?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Well, it's almost boating season. And do you have a pair of Vessi shoes to keep your feet comfy and dry while you're out there boating? Well, if not, you are missing out and maybe you're not boating.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I don't know, but chances are you're about to get outdoors with the weather warming up and make sure wherever you go, whether it's walking to and from work in the city or you're hiking or you're being outdoors, get a pair of Vessi shoes and keep your feet 100% dry and comfortable.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yeah, what a way to just have a terrible rest of your day. If you're going to work in the morning, you step in a puddle and it rains unexpectedly and your feet are wet. Well, not with Vessi. Their shoes are 100% waterproof, not water resistant. They have a wonderful lineup of great sneakers. Absolutely love it. You got to check out Vessi if you haven't already.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yes. But let's talk about why. Let's figure out why. I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but I'm 99% sure the answer is going to be yes at the end of this call. But I want to change our mindset, right? And I want you to think about why am I having a hard time moving on from this situationship? It should be the question that we focus on during this call.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You try to show him how great of a girlfriend you could be.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
His approach seems to be just fucking annoying and borderline aggressive, even if it's passive. Correct me if I'm wrong by any of this. But yeah, no, it makes sense, right? Because you're just like, you know, because let's be real. You could meet someone for two weeks, two weeks. I mean, I have...
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I mean, listen, I'll cut them a little slack because like I've been on a whole like shooting on our current climate of dating. But yeah, like I know a lot of people are afraid of labels and titles. But you guys had a whole, I don't know, year of time. You know each other. You've... had sex, and God only knows what else, you know, you've spent some real time, you know?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Like, thinking about situationship, as ridiculous as they are, and as much of a waste of time as they are, you can still really get to know someone to a level of developing emotional intimacy, even if it is a bit one-sided. It certainly has its limits because it's often one-sided, but you can really do that.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And if he is saying that in this period of time where you dated another guy and it really fucked with him and then he, you know, realized that he made a mistake and then you break up with him and he's just knocking on your door, it's just like, why is it so hard to be like, listen, I don't know if this is going to work or not, but like, let's just be boyfriend and girlfriend.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I don't know, maybe in a week we'll break up, but like, You know, I do know I spent the past, you know, six months regretting my decision to let you go. And then you date another guy. And I thought I was never going to another chance. So like, I want to show you what it's like to be a boyfriend. And I want to show you how I can be. And let's get to know each other.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Let's develop our emotional, like, why can't he do that?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
How much do you cater to his needs versus him catering to yours?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Whether it was right or wrong or whether I was delusional or not, I in my life have met women that I got really excited about. And two weeks into knowing them, we were saying some crazy shit to each other. And if I got invited to a wedding... I would have been that guy who would have been like, can I bring up, come on. Because I wanted to take this person.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
If this was the first guy, if this was a guy that you were describing that you've only known for two months, then I would say give it time. But this isn't a guy you've only known for two months. This is a guy that you have a lot of history with.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
It's always interesting because when people are in relationships, bad ones usually, not that people are usually in bad ones, but when people are in bad ones, they usually will stay in bad relationships because... I know he's been dating for so long, you know?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And then when like people like, you know, start rekindle old situationships, they want to just conveniently like pretend that first chapter or second or third or fourth or how many chapters they have, because a lot of situationships have chapters, like this could just be your second chapter.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
you're both relatively young and you could have like six more to go before you finally are just like done with this bullshit. I don't, again, or maybe you marry him. I don't, you know, like maybe I could be wrong, you know, like you guys are young and like, I'm not trying to diminish like the progress he's made, but you are giving me signs of,
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
of a lot of people in your position I'm very familiar with. And I feel like, and no fault of your own, because I think you are making a concerted effort. You walked away from this guy that clearly was not easy. That was definitely like, that was progress. Like that was something you should really be proud of yourself for.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
It's understandable that you let him back in, but you clearly want this relationship to happen and you like him and you're biased. You want this to work. So his shortcomings, you want to give him the benefit of the doubt. You want to discover that he's avoidant. Whatever issues that he can't help or that therapy can fix. And I just got off a call with someone completely different situation.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
She's dating men in their mid to late 30s, 40s, right? And one of the pieces of advice, as I said to her, it was like, listen, I wouldn't stick around for bad behavior with these 40-year-old men because this is who they are. I said, at least with the 20-year-olds, there's like hope for them to change. And I said to the people listening, don't take that as reassurance.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Because they're not going to change for you. It's going to take five or 10 years for these men who have whatever issues that are, you know, maybe they are avoided. Maybe they're, you know, they're reactive. Maybe they're avoided and reactive. Maybe, you know, whatever it is, you know, like we are emotionally very...
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
well i mean yeah we should be more you know we're far more emotionally immature in our 20s than we should be in our 30s or 40s right but like all i'm saying is this it was a great that he came back and it was great that he fought for you and i really like that he's definitely made improvements but these are these are some bare minimum shit you're describing and you're just like wow he got me a valentine's day gift and they were airpods and i'm a lucky girl
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know? Yeah. And I think what I'm saying is I think you could ask a lot more of him. I think you could just act like some baddie who's just like, I don't have time for your bullshit anymore. And just tell him exactly what you want. And if he can't give it to you, regardless if it's because he needs more therapy, he's avoidant, he has whatever his excuse is, it's not your problem.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And you just don't have time for it. Because there are people out there who are ready to date you.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know what I'm saying? You're playing games. I don't think you're going to listen to this advice, at least not yet. But if I were you, I'd get off this call. And the next time you talk to him, I'd be like, listen, you're either my boyfriend or you're not. And I'm not asking you to marry me.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But if you can't just be my boyfriend and be comfortable with the label, then you are not just in a position to be the type of person I'm looking for. That's not that hard. I agree with that. You should treat him like the person you want to date. You are treating him like a little boy that you like, and you're trying to mold into the man that you want to date.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But what about the... Yeah, but why can't he just be your boyfriend? Like why... Yeah. Why does he need more time?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And that's understandable. And I appreciate his vulnerability. But that doesn't mean you don't have the right to challenge him or push back. And that pushing back could be like, listen, thank you for sharing. And yeah, I'm scared too. I've been burned. I don't know. Have you ever been burned?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So, you know, you're like, I've been burned too. Again, like us calling each other boyfriend and girlfriend, honestly, it doesn't really mean much. It just means that like, I can just call you my fucking boyfriend. We still have a lot to learn about each other. Like, I don't know. Like, yeah. And yeah, I want to take that slow with you too.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Nothing really needs to change other than like the fact that like these weird excuses of why you can't be my boyfriend, but like, let's definitely take it slow. And I don't know, like you, I don't know. We can't promise each other we're not gonna hurt each other. And like, that's emotional maturity.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know, emotional maturity is like, you know, yeah, like 18, 19, 21, 20, you know, we fuck each other up. I always like to use that car analogy, right? Like, you know, this love and dating is this crazy thing. And it just, it has such an impact on our lives. And we get into it with like absolutely no experience. And it's like no different than getting into like a Lamborghini.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
driving for the very first time and being like, sorry, I don't know how to drive this thing. But that's what we do, right? And so, yeah. But you're supposed to have some progress. And so, you are just... And I probably sounded harsh and I'm sorry, but when I say boy, I'm sure he's a good guy. A lot of boys are. You do need to expect more from him. You're kind of talking as if...
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
It's like, yeah, you've had a broken heart, but man, he's a guy with a broken heart. And boy, he needs to be really taken care of.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Listen, I have no opinion. I'm trying to just give you my, well, I have opinion, but I don't care. What I want is for you to be happy. And the difference between you and I right now is I'm open to your happiness being in the long run. And right now you want to be happy today.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But you know what I'm saying? Like, I just, I'm, I don't know if the answer, you know, I just don't know, but like, if I would love for you to get your way, I would love for this, the guy that, you know, you know, but the go ahead.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I think one of my most famous lines on this show And ask Nick was, your boyfriend likes having a girlfriend, he doesn't want to be a boyfriend. And this is a guy who very much sounds like he does enjoy having you around. Definitely, that's clear. You do bring value to his life. He really probably missed you emotionally taking care of him when you had a boyfriend.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And now that he has you back, he's very glad. And I'm guessing the difference between for him is an exclusive relationship versus like whatever he committed or whatever the bullshit is that like he thinks that gives him permission to Snapchat girls and even kind of lie about it because like the lying is just like, well, she would get mad. He convinces himself.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
that she would get mad and I'm not doing anything wrong, so I'll just lie. Which is like one of the most common and immature things people do in relationship is convince themselves they're right and then lie about it because they know if they told their partner the truth, they would get mad. And then it's weirdly not lying. It is stopping from their partner from overreacting.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And my gut tells me that's what he's doing.
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Yeah, but you're still just as emotionally invested.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yeah. So it really, I don't know. It's really up to you. The through line of everything I taught, it doesn't matter what the call is, right? It just comes down to managing your emotional energy and you get to pick where it goes. And I honestly find that the key to happiness is getting better at prioritizing where you spend your emotional energy.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Do you spend it on things that make you happy or do you spend it on things that make you sad or anxious or whatever? And despite you liking this guy, he doesn't make you happy. I mean, he does give you the opportunity to use and express a love language.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And I think when you do care for this man emotionally, it really brings you value because you probably have a very nurturing heart and acts of service is probably a love language of yours. So it's not completely one-sided, but he doesn't make you all that happy.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
you know, your emotional energy is usually around him anxious and confused and frustrated and just like questioning things constantly because like it's always on his terms. And sometimes you can convince yourself that his terms match your terms when you also don't want to like
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Well, that's what I'm asking you. You said, I don't know exactly what words you said, but you referenced like your.
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because he's being a dick or, you know, overreacting or just like kind of acting like tonight, you know, maybe a little even gaslighting, you know, potentially this man is Snapchatting other girls and telling you he can't do this because he doesn't like how you're acting. And he's seeing red flags from you. And again, you're, you're, you're right. He's not your, he's not your boyfriend.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So like, you know, but he is operating in the gray on purpose and he doesn't want to acknowledge that. And probably because he's convinced himself that he is the victim.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know, because I'm sure his broken heart was broken. And I'm sure it really fucked him up. And I think, honestly, the advice I gave to him, I'm sure he's a great guy. But right now, it doesn't sound like he's the man that you want to date and the man that probably is deserving of you. And I wouldn't expect a ton of progress from this person anytime soon.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And you are setting yourself up for a very long and a very emotional, like up at roller coaster with this person that could last years and almost never ends the way you want. The bright side, if you opt into this journey, is that you'll learn a lot about yourself. But it'll be some real tough lessons that I hope that you choose to avoid. I didn't. I did not choose to avoid them.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But in the meantime, because I don't know if you're ready to let him go, maybe just practice just not accepting his bullshit. Just tell him what you want. He can set your boundaries, enforce your boundaries. He can accept them or not. That's his choice. But just be the assertive person who's just like, you know what? That's not good enough. And these aren't red flags.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I asked a very simple question. Why aren't you messaging other girls on Snapchat? Ew. And again, it's fine if you are, but like you did come to me and say, I'm sorry, I almost lost you. I'm ready to be different. You literally asked for a second fucking chance with me.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You asked me and you have the nerve to be getting mad at me because I'm questioning why you're messaging other, sending pictures to other girls? Come on.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Listen, like, I know this is tough love, Nick, and I'm being hard, but like, and I only just because it's just like you're at a very pivotal point in your life right now. And I don't know if you realize it. This person could really fuck you up. Like, this is a story as old as time.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
No, I agree. You can learn a lot about yourself, you know. But the good news is, is like people who are in your position, like you're going to find your person because, you know, the trick for you is to find someone who really is going to, because clearly you are willing to give in a relationship. That's obvious. You are willing to do your part.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Your problem is you're too willing to do their part too. And then convince yourself that they need you. And then you feel good about that. And you just can't do that, right? Because the more of their part that you do, they start thinking it's their part to do it too. They're like, oh, it's like dating the guy whose mom did his laundry the whole time. And he's just like, I don't do laundry.
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Now, I also don't do laundry because I fucking hate laundry. And it turns out my wife loves it. And I will do the dishes.
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Do you want a partner or do you want a guy to provide and give you kids? Because honestly, like some... Men and women get into relationships for different reasons. Some people have partners, some people have husbands.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I hope this doesn't sound condescending, but you're still relatively young and you're still figuring it out what your boundaries and standards and expectations should be. As long as you're learning through this experience, it's fine. But learning...
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
set a hard date like if he doesn't ask me to be his girlfriend i wouldn't set a date i mean if you're going to set a date that date should be today because again what you're asking is the lowest of lows you are saying you're all you're asking is like yeah i want i want to be okay with you not snapchatting other girls point blank period i don't want i want to just trust that you want you have to see if this guy wants to be a boyfriend he does not want to be a boyfriend
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And so being exclusive to you is like he just doesn't want to have, he's fine with, he doesn't really want to have sex with other girls.
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Those benefits, and I'm glad you did that, but then that tells me he benefits in other areas from you. Because clearly he likes having you around, but what are you getting from him?
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That's great. And listen, what is he willing to give up for you doesn't really have to be a lot. It shouldn't be each other's careers or jobs, sort of like you guys having these... You know, it really shouldn't be much. All it should be is peace of fucking mind. You know, like the ability, what he needs to be willing to give up for you is 100% in complete autonomy and freedom.
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You know, he has to give up the ability to do whatever he wants when he wants. Because if you're an adult who is single, who doesn't have kids, then no one gets to tell you what to do outside of work. You answer to no one. And that's kind of fun. And if you want a girlfriend or a boyfriend on some level, you have to give some things up.
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It shouldn't be much, but if it means just not Snapchatting other girls or flirting with girls or just the freedom to not say, well, I can't do that because I have a girlfriend. That's what he doesn't want to give up.
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He doesn't know the answer. You need to know that answer. This is not about you guys agreeing on this. It's just you need to know that so that you can say, that's fucking crazy. And so... That's why I'm just going to be like, do you want to be my boyfriend or not?
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And again, to reiterate, you just like, if that's too much for you, you're not, you know, because I'm not, we have a lot, like we, we have a lot, we should take it slow for sure. I want to know that like, you want to be my boyfriend and that you want to, the basics of being a boyfriend, like just, you know,
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It might be true. But like, do you want to date a guy who feels pressured? I mean, that sounds kind of... When you break it down, it's kind of weak and pathetic.
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I would challenge him. It's just like, bro, you, come on. If that makes you feel pressure, man, I don't know what his line of work is, but like, bro, you know, like.
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If that's too much for him, then, you know.
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You don't even have to like analyze or ask your friends, be like, is this an excuse? Like take him, take him at his word. But if you're really taking him at his word, what does that say about him?
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Or that he's like kind of a weak person because some guy who feels pressured by some girl, he's spent, if you add up all the time, like how many months have you guys been dating? If you include all the times your situations have started. Like 10 months. 10 months. In 10 months, he feels pressure because the girl he's been dating for 10 months just wants to know if he can be his boyfriend.
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And then keep in mind, you guys can break up literally the next day. And that's too much for him?
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Is that the man that you want protecting your children who feels pressured by a label? No.
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Like what kind of, like, imagine the, but seriously, you know, that's what I'm saying. Like, obviously he probably is just full of shit and you know, whatever. But the point is you can protect your emotional energy and waste a lot less time by just taking people at their word and seeing them for who they are by the way they act and how they described their limitations to you.
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You know, you should treat him like the boyfriend you want and the person he is. And what I mean by that is it's like in terms of your standards, your standards should be this is the boyfriend I want. Not, well, this, but like he can't do it because he's avoidant. Well, then that's a him problem.
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But these are like concerts or just social events.
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And then in terms of like treat him how he acts, well, if he acts like a guy who can't handle pressure, then ask yourself, do I want a guy who can't handle pressure to to be my man.
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So yeah, if you want a man, you got to treat him like a man.
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Let's tap in it with this guy. Listen, I'm giving you some very direct and tough love, but you have a lot going for you. You are really young. You've did a lot of things faster than I would have at your age. So just see it through.
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All right. Take care. I would love an update, whatever you decide with this guy in the future.
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I'm invested. All right. All right. Take care. Thank you for your call. All right. Bye-bye.
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Yeah, that seems totally normal for the average.
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So what do you think it is? Like, do you think it's bad luck in terms of the men that you dated? Or do you think despite the way you described your social life to me, there, there's something not, there's something missing that is if like, if I got them on the, on the zoom and like, you just like, turned off your phone and I was just like, no, what was it that pissed you off about her?
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And I'm just curious. I don't even know if this is really helpful for your question, but I'm curious. So thanks for indulging me. But it's helpful context in case it might. When you were asking him to convert, what is your relationship with your faith? How hardcore are you? Is it more like, listen, I just want my partner to be Jewish. Yeah, I go to synagogue once in a while, or I go every week.
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And if I get married to the man who I have kids with. I want us to like have a community and go to center, you know, and, but like, I don't need you to like be like reading the Bible and, and, you know, be hardcore. And I honestly don't even really care if you even buy any of this stuff. I just want you to kind of be a part of my community. Or were you like expecting him to like believe?
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I totally get it. I totally get it. I just wasn't sure which one it was.
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How long were you guys having a conversation about this?
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And why, and I don't know if I'm fully like, if there was a path of least resistance and like a, um, a drive by rabbi could just be like, you know what you are, you're Jewish now. Um, why wouldn't you opt for that? If, if that, like, if something like that were available.
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At what pace and what's your limit? You know, like, I mean, understand the holidays, understand like the stories.
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I'm curious. You mentioned rough history. Obviously, I'm familiar with what you're speaking of. And obviously, the anti-Semitism in this world right now is at a scary level. But that's my question to you is like, Forget about the conversion part.
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Did you feel like your non-Jewish boyfriend empathized with you as a Jewish person in your community and the plight that Jewish people have to endure on a regular basis? And do you feel like at the holidays he had participated with you, do you feel like he picked up on and at least educated himself, whether he believed and actually personally gave his shit, but just like how well, how much?
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Let me ask you this. So you have in this group, there's other married women, right?
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I think be real with yourself about like what you really are asking someone when you're asking them to convert. And I think you have to be really honest with yourself about the importance of the idea of something versus the reality of something. Because if what I'm hearing from you, and we'll get into the, but I am fascinated by this conversation.
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When you get into the like, will you convert for me? It's just like, again, you can't make people believe.
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Various couples, various relations, various happiness in these relationships. I would bet that there's various degrees of wives, girlfriends, and partners who check in with their partners, text back and forth, communicate, I don't know, call, send pictures, I don't know, maybe to the level of obnoxiousness. And then there are people who like, kind of just are like, hey, I'm gone this weekend.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So that was sort of my, that makes sense. Yeah. It's just, there are subtleties obviously with that line of questioning and cause like for him converting is getting married.
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Yeah, totally. I'm just saying, and maybe you already assumed this, but the process of him converting, he's only converting because he would marry you. Yes. So he definitely doesn't want to do that with a girlfriend.
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And the idea of talking about that with a girlfriend, even though you guys, I mean, I don't know the seriousness of your relationship, but it's just, even if he was willing to do it for his wife, so to speak,
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you know he still needs to make sure that he wants this person to be his wife and so i think i would imagine it's challenging to like this is the idea of converting a religion for anyone i think this is like especially if they have a history with religion i mean and he does right like it's
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What was the summary of your pitch to him? And what was his response?
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Okay. But when you said, are you saying it, your willingness to convert? Or are you saying, if we get married, knowing that you would be willing to convert when we get married is important to me?
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Yeah, but I... Like it wasn't a question of like... I've envisioned marriage with people I didn't end up marrying. I've envisioned marriage with girlfriends I dated for a week.
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I don't doubt it. But I think the disconnect... And I just... Listen, I...
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I feel for you because, you know, also I really liked the show. I'm sure you watched it. I don't know how you feel about it.
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But this is a man that you said has known your importance of marrying someone in the Jewish faith, has talked to you about marriage, and has at times expressed to you a willingness to possibly do this.
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and then overnight your words well there was a fight i don't doubt it uh but it doesn't matter and that's what i'm trying to get to is what did you say in that fight and what did he hear that cause the fight was about something else okay what i still want to know is it was about something okay okay if we're talking about convert i just like to me it's just like what changed
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I'll see you in three days. And they're pretty like hard to get a hold of. And then when you do, like your boyfriends might text you or call you, you're either unavailable or you respond, I don't know, an hour later and you're just kind of busy and you're just not their problem. Uh, which one are you? I'm guessing the latter.
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You don't think competitors can't help each other out?
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Yeah. But you, you, you hear me say there's exceptions to every rule. And this is a very unique situation where you're in the exact same line of work and, and you're both career oriented, ambitious people who are,
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potentially could be put in a position to compete for the same dream job and in that situation that doesn't apply to most people yeah it's you know it's hard you you have to consider the variables for people like well your man should it's like well like maybe yeah sure i mean like but like when it comes to that for me my brain was just like you kind of have to try to separate that
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you know, in a way, you know, or just acknowledge that it's not the same as your friend and her partner and, you know, because they literally can't compare. you know? So for them to say, well, well, Mark would blah, blah, blah. It's like, how do you know what Mark would do?
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But do you understand how someone hearing those words would take that?
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It's just like, there's no point in like softening that message because they don't hear any of the softening. They just hear, I feel weird about it. I'm very unsettled by this. You know, they're not hearing, I'm not telling you no, and you should go for it if you want it. You know, that's not what they're hearing. They're just hearing all the ways you're pissed off about it.
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Yeah. I mean, listen, like, but I think you, the way you sit, you know, it's just like, just, just own your feelings at least as I, as this is what I'm saying.
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So you at least acknowledge that like, maybe you weren't right to feel the way you felt.
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He's sending paragraphs in your responses. Then you should go for it. Yeah.
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I mean, not like he wasn't sending like scrolls, but he would send like, I'm just, I just, this was clearly you guys fought. I mean, this was, you fought over this. Yeah.
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And then I don't even know what that says about your guys's relationship, but it certainly says something.
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Is that and then that either of us really that escalate your urgency around understanding his willingness to convert at that point?
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See, that last part, that just kills me that you say. Because at first, I'm like, oh, actually, that sounded pretty nice. And what's his problem? But again, you're not saying he should go for it. And if I'm giving you some tough love feedback here, if your goal was to effectively communicate with your boyfriend...
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you know, you're saying one thing and doing another, you know, you're saying go for it, but it's going to hurt your feelings. You know, it's like, and I understand that's your trying to be transparent. Sure. But I think there's just probably a more productive way for both of you. And I'm not putting this all on you.
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I mean, at some point you guys need to sit down in these many conversations and just say, listen, like we both care about our jobs and that's awesome. You know, I don't, we're only dating now. We talk about getting married, but like, If we're going to be together, then at the end of the day, this is a good thing for both of us, regardless of what, assuming one of us get it.
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And if not, like, I guess we'll have bigger problems when it comes to you and I down the row when I realize, I guess, you know, but like, we both want this job. So let's both support each other and may the best person win. And whether you guys can decide whether you're going to study together, help each other, and literally go into the interviews back to back, like in the office when, you know,
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Jim and Pam went for the same job. Or Jim and... Karen or... It was Karen. Karen. And truly just be like, yeah, good fucking luck. I definitely don't wish you get it because I want it, but good luck. And I'm proud of you. And you worked really hard on this. And you fucking deserve this. And you both say that to each other and just let it play out. I get it.
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And you being selfish was getting your boyfriend to pass on a job opportunity because they called you first?
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Listen, I mean, to each their own. I'm not here to lecture you. I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. Understand. But is... Yeah, I mean, as someone who's a pretty heavy weed smoker, I'm a very attentive husband and father. So I'm just saying, I think you're blaming it on the alcohol, so to speak, a little bit. Yeah, I know.
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And that's, that's you, like, listen, you just, I, you don't, you can disagree with me, but I'm telling you from a communicating standpoint, you essentially did tell him that. And you kept telling that. And the reason this man is sending you paragraphs of text after long conversations, he wanted your permission.
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He wanted to guilt-free move forward with this, like to go after this job because he didn't want to like feel like he was stealing something from his girlfriend. And he really wanted your permission and you never gave it to him because it always ended in a but.
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And listen, there's no wrong, but you need to, like what you're doing, like what you're having a hard time is you still think you're more justified than him. And I don't think either of you are more justified than the other.
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I mean, like this comes down to you got called first.
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From a professional standpoint or from a partner standpoint. But the contradiction is, I get it. You're just like, listen, I don't know if you're gonna convert and therefore I don't know I'm gonna marry you. So like, I want this fucking job. you know?
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But he's also like, well, I don't know if I'm going to convert and I don't know if I'm going to marry you. So I want this fucking job. And you're, you know what I'm saying? Like you're asking him to, to do the same thing that you're, and that's all human, but you guys are both wanting the other person to give up on this thing that they want. And that's bullshit by both of you.
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And so the least you guys could do is just Shake each other's hands. Respect each other as lovers, as professionals, as people who believe in each other. And just like, you know what? May the best man win. Because it's like someone is going to win. And you should. You should. I don't care if it's your boyfriend or your colleague.
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You should be able to compete, lose, and be happy for the person that beat you. And if you can't, that's definitely something you should work on. Yeah.
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I think what it is, is I think you need to at least acknowledge that it's personal. And when we're personal, you're biased. You just want this. And that's totally fine. But like, it doesn't make you right. Right. And you think you're right.
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Maybe that I feel this way, but you're discounting what he needed from his partner in that moment. And you were just thinking of yourself and that's fine. But like, you're trying to pretend to be his partner while only thinking of yourself.
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I'm an unbiased part of you. That's kind of how I see it. But again, this is not like you have every right to feel how you feel and do what you want. And the fact that he's clear, you know, at this point, not willing to convert, like maybe that's your answer. And, you know, maybe there's some, maybe there's some, maybe you have a little bit of a, what imposter syndrome going.
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Cause you think if I have to compete with him, he's going to win.
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So, I mean, you know, you, but like, you know.
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But that part of you that can acknowledge it is a part of you that needs to like, that's an ego thing. That is a. For sure. You know? And so you just, again, I'm just, I want you to make decisions being the most honest with yourself about why you're making these decisions. Because I don't. I don't care. And everything you're describing is very normal and it makes a lot of sense.
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But I think what I'm trying to point out to you is there's a bit of contradiction coming from what you're saying. And I don't think you're willing to really see that because I think you want to get this job and you want him to be totally happy about it. And you want him to, let me ask you this. Let's say you compete and get this job. Then what?
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Like if you knew that you were going to get this job ended up happening and I got it, but well, that should tell you something too. You know, like a lot of your actions are, are assuming an outcome that a even hasn't happened yet. And if, and if, if it doesn't happen the way, then, then you kind of all this for nothing. from both ends of you guys.
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I'm curious, did he ever ask, because it was a lot of him asking your permission, but you never really asked. You getting called a month before, we all feel entitled to various things, but it's giving you a sense of entitlement to this position that you don't think he is entitled to. And when we feel entitled to things, then we just lose objectivity.
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Listen, I also want to be clear that that's not necessarily a problem. Yeah. There's a couple, I don't know, what's her name? Some celebrity woman who's been married for three years and her and her husband live in two different houses. Works for them.
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That's why I'm sorry. Why can't you, acknowledging it's a complex situation, knowing that we can sit there and go back and forth and
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like you and your ex did kind of just break it down and analyze it and go back and forth and yada yada why can't you just acknowledge this is a complex situation and there's a million different ways to look at it and no one really is right or wrong so therefore let the mess man win because like that's at least the only a fair way you know what i guess my version of doing that
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To your version of, this is a complex situation, so why can't I get my way? That's what you're saying.
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I mean, listen, you're just like, he cares about your feelings. You are emphasizing your feelings. And you're saying all these logical, reasonable things. And then what's the point of giving someone flowers if you're going to piss all over the flowers? You know? Yeah. What's the point of saying all these, like, listen, you're right for this job. And if you want it, I support you.
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And it's totally fine. But... it's going to destroy me as a human being.
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I communicated very clearly that it would make me, listen, if you're, I'm sorry, any person who says, this is how you made me feel. Once that other person to acknowledge every bit of those feelings that you're feeling. So yeah, you do want it to kind of destroy him, you know, in a, You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah. So anyways, it's up to you, right? But you just have to be self-aware. About how available you are emotionally, you know, and how needy are the men that you date? And are you dating needy men because they fill some other void in your life that you like? But when it comes to your like girl traps, it's really fucking obnoxious.
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You want them to recognize your feelings and you kept invoking your feelings and you're like, I feel this way. It's going to make me feel this way. It's going to, you're going to be the person who's going to make me feel this way. And I, you know, and he was, and so it's just like, it didn't really matter.
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I don't think he ever asked you not to go for it for his feelings.
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He asked you to buy. I don't know. Listen, like people come up with crazy shit. Like it's not that crazy that he couldn't have come in there even a month later and said, I'm just better for like, listen, I got more experience. I'm just like,
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But the point I'm just trying to make is like, sometimes the answer is to try to take, remove your feelings. You can't ask him to remove his feelings and expect him to acknowledge yours.
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And you didn't even really ask him or give a shit about how he felt about the fact that you were going to, compete with him at this job. You just felt entitled because you got called first. And from a relationship standpoint, you definitely, I feel his frustration.
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You know, because from a relationship standpoint, it's very hard to try to get on the same page with someone who feels entitled to something that they feel like you're not to. Because immediately they just have the upper hand. It's like, no matter what, kind of like you did, there's a but that says, but I'm entitled to it.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I was invested. I guess I would agree that you can't help but you feel that way. But emotional maturity is being able to process how you feel about something. When you were 16, you reacted to things differently than you react now. And the difference is you've grown up and gone, I don't know, maybe therapy or not therapy, or just like you understood yourself a little bit, learn from past mistakes.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
We definitely can't help how we feel. We can't help how we deal with those feelings. You are leading and justifying your actions by just invoking your feelings whenever it serves you the best. You can control that. That you can help. And every time I say something to you that says, well, you know, blah, blah, blah. And again, unbiased opinion, you called me.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You're like, well, I don't feel that way. is your response to me okay you don't great like no like conversation's over So, you know, and in a relationship, you're both going to come in with different feelings.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And I could just know, you know, the more entitled to your feelings than you are, then you're already at a, the relationship, the connecting this between the two of you is already, it's tough. It's tough when one person feels more entitled to their feelings than the other, regardless of they got called first or not.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But, you know, it's just... Listen, I... Back to converting.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I'm sure they were, but you know, I think you have to, right. Bottled stuff up.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I don't usually feel this way, but I'm sad for this story because most of the time, most of the time I'm, and this is just could easily be the case for you guys. I'm definitely like, listen, if you guys broke up, there's probably a reason. And as tough as it is that maybe this isn't your guy. And that's the religion part is a big issue and it's a lot to ask.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And that side, and I say this with love, you're very stubborn and, and just whether it was like, I can see, I can see a world where like the converting in this job, like you just, it was very easy for you to ask some pretty big asks from him. And I'm just wondering if you fully grasp that. And if I'm hearing, I do. Okay. But like, I'm just, I can, I, I don't know if I don't know if you do.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I don't I honestly don't know if you do, because the way you you kind of debated me so much about this job thing and the fact that you still like we're like, but I'm right. And I got called first. The fact that you you you still can't really see that you have a blind spot, I feel like when it comes to that.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
and perhaps i think it's one thing to just like proclaim i get it i'm asking him a lot and really like in the heat of the moment when you guys are at a point of disconnecting your relationship acknowledge yourself hey maybe i need to take one for the team here because i've really asked a lot of the team and i'm i'm wondering if maybe you're not as good at that as you think you might be.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And I can't help but wonder if some of his like frustrations and things that bottle up and when he was kind of throwing out things, you're like, what? Came from a place of like, really feel like you were just like really good at asking a lot of things from him. And maybe he didn't have much to ask of you.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But like, it just seemed really easy for you to ask a lot from him where this guy was just like, she's just like, it's never fucking enough. And what else? Like, and she's asking me to convert and I got to do this and I got to do that. And it's just like, Jesus, I love her, but fuck.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And I'm just wondering if maybe you, you know, like just some blind spots you could work on a little bit because it sounds like there's a lot of love here. And it sounds like this is a very complex, like you said, it is very nuanced, you know, the job conversation is very nuanced.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Converting is very nuanced, but I don't think you are as good as having nuanced conversations, especially ones that are very personal to you. Uh, and that you have a lot of emotionally invested in the outcome, you know, like most of us, like it's hard to be nuanced when you give a shit about the outcome. And I think, yeah. Um,
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I hear you. But it's just like bad timing, maybe good timing. I don't know. Because like, listen, if you, you know, like bad time, it worked out, but like, maybe hopefully this is a pivot. Like, I hope this one way or the other, you learn something from it. I don't know what you should, you know, there's something to learn here, you know?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I'm really curious if you ever listened to this episode and knew it was about him, what he would think.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
It's like, and again, back to when we're talking converting, right? Like, yeah. Talking to you, it's like you can say, I'm not even religious. I don't really need a lot from my boyfriend to convert. But I do have these like just a handful of like just things I want. Why? I don't know. I just fucking do because I feel this way. And you feel very justified to say that.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And very entitled to say that, even though you can acknowledge that they, you know what I'm saying? When I'm like, well, why can't you go drive by? You know, it's just like, you just don't want to. And you want him to just meet those, well, I just do demands. And I think, you know, you win a lot of the, I just want to get my way arguments. And he concedes probably most of those.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yeah, but this is definitely more about you than making sure he's okay.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And I think he got tired of conceding. And even the ones that felt trivial.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yeah, I'd hear you on the converting, but as long as they're converting... Why don't you make it as easy? My point is, I think that's awesome and that's important to you. But as someone who's not religious, why can't you make it as easy as possible for whoever that person is?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
If you decide to love a man who's not Jewish and you want to marry this man and you have a great thing going, but you still want to have Why can't you make it as easy as possible for him? And then from that point forward, allow your relationship with this person and your connection with this person be what motivates them to continue to want to become more connected to you and your family.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And if you are connected to your faith and your community, that will inspire them to do so. Rather than put out a set of benchmarks,
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I guess it's one of those things where like, if you guys, let's say you, you know, this didn't happen, you got married and you fell in love and like, listen, people get divorced. There's a good chance. He'd just be like, yeah, I married a woman and she was Jewish. I converted for her and we've divorced and I'm not Jewish anymore. You know, like I'm sure that story exists out there.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You know, he's doing it for you, you know?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
The gap that you, and it's just, there's this consistency you're not seeing. And I wonder if you'll hear it when you listen to this back. You, you, you, you hold on to very certain, very specific things. It's just like, well, I wanted to make it as easy as possible. Oh yeah. It was the one, him wanting to do it. You know, it's like, you know, I want you to want to do the dishes.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
You recognize it's a big ask, right? You recognize it's a huge.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
why don't we just start with a, he's willing, you know?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Where did a narcissist come into this conversation? Why do you think he's a narcissist?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Right, and then, and just let him just, I guess like, let's, again, what I mean, as easy as possible, but his motivations and his interests, like you, clearly there's, you know, you had some standards in your mind. You had some ideas of what you wanted. You had some things that you thought he should do or not do.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yeah. Just like you were just saying, well, he never really asked and you know, like, and that's, again, it's human. You can say, I understand how big of an ask it is, but I want a little bit more. I want to, you know, and it's supposed to be like, Hey, it's a huge fucking asshole. I'm going to, it is a big ask.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And I'm just like, why can't you just like, I don't know, I baby step it with this guy, you know? Um,
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And do you want to fight for this or are you ready to let it go and just accept that he's not your guy?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So I'm not kind of like, I- Well, I mean, I'm only basing it on everything you've told me. It was on the table.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
That might be true. I don't know. It might be true.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
So what do you want? What do you want? Because if it's closure, I don't think you should go. If you're not fully done with this guy. And I guess, again, this is a very, very sensitive, obviously very nuanced conversation. I guess what I'm trying to articulate, and I'm having a hard time getting through to you, is I recognize you're non-negotiable. It's an important non-negotiable.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I'm glad that you are taking this non-negotiable serious now rather than just hoping for the best later. But based on what I think you and I have discovered about your relationship with this man and how maybe some of your blind spots have caused him to feel a certain way, coupled with the fact of what you are asking him to do, I really think there's some like
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Or you could just, you know, you just fucking just find a great Jewish man. But I, I, I really think you have this blind, like, I don't care if he's Jewish or not. If you are really good at making your feelings more entitled than your partners and, and really getting good at asking him to concede at a lot of like 50, 50 conversations, your partner is going to end up presenting you period.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
that's your call. But like this, this is men are, it doesn't matter if he's Jewish or not, men are men and they want to have partners too. And I think, and he sounds like a guy who's willing to do a lot for his partner. And there's a lot of guys out there who are not, but just because the guys are willing to do a lot for their partner doesn't mean they need something back too.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I'm confident he is far from perfect and he has his plenty of blind spots.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But yeah, he definitely might not be your man. So my, my short answer to a very long conversation is if you want closure, don't go. If you aren't ready to say goodbye, go. Okay. All right. Cause you don't need closure, you know?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Closure is you accepting that it's over and he'll, that's his journey too. But I wouldn't, don't be, this is not the time to be right or stubborn.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Well, I wish you the best. Thanks for having this conversation with me.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Just be aware of those blind spots. Sorry it was so long. It is hard to find good people out there. And we can always improve our miscommunication and we can always seek help when we're miscommunicating with our partners. And there are a lot of tough conversations that even the closest people have to have that have a difficult time getting through.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And you guys tried to have two extraordinarily difficult conversations at the same time.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And there are other like smaller issues in your relationship. I don't know. It's just like, it's honestly a sad story.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But you know, it's not, you know, it's not over. It doesn't have to. I mean, it's up to you. It's like, it's up to you.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
My general opinion about the conversation around narcissists, it's become ridiculous and deluded.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Well, you're right. I would disagree. You're right. I mean, you have to be willing to be wrong and feel like a fool and not get your way and be truly vulnerable. Like, yeah, you would have to be all those things. I don't know if you're capable.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
But yeah, you would have to go in with truly a white flag, humbled and just focused on what you have reflected about the role you played in this relationship and anything at all that you might want to work on or change or improve. And that's something that you want him to know because as someone you've been in a long relationship and still have a
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
passed or not, if there's nothing that you could bring to that conversation about things that you would have done differently that you, that you think it's important for him to know about, then yeah, it's probably a waste of your time to go.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
All right. Good luck. I would love to, I'd love an update one way or the other, if you're willing.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Nice to meet you. Yeah, you too. Fascinating conversation.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, listen, our society has never been more self-centered and selfish. Like it's most narcissists are the one accusing other people of being narcissists. The selfish person in the room thinks everyone else is selfish because like the selfish person thinks everyone should be focused on them.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And when people are focused on other things, that's very offensive to the selfish or not. But like, that's all of us. Like, Yeah, it is, it is. A true narcissist. I mean, we have narcissism all over us. We're surrounded by narcissism. We're incentivized. It's now become a currency. But in terms of relationships, yeah, a lot of people have become more self-centered. Everyone out there
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
a lot of people giving relationship advice. It's just all about like, you got to love yourself before you love everyone else. And, you know, it's just like, you know, if you're not happy, then what's, you know, it's like, yeah. So I mean, but like, I really like our update calls. Right. So it is nice to, you know, hear that like there is some positive impact at times, but
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I could give advice that I think is great, that the listeners think are great, and maybe it is actually pretty solid advice. But the way people often even hear my advice, and then they might even hear it the right way, forget about it, episode doesn't come out for a few weeks.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
And then like they act on what they think that advice is, but they have run that advice through their ego and their insecurity. And then it gets kind of, it's like the telephone game, like in their mind, like they hear the advice, sounds like, Nick said this, blah, blah, blah.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
By the time they act on this advice or they repeat it back to something else, like their ego has been like, no, no, no, no, right? And like, again, we are so programmed to make everything about us and our main characters and yada, yada.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
I think, and also like the energy people are spending trying to figure out whether their boyfriend or exes are, I mean, just who gives it, what are you going to do with that information?
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
Listen, I think there's a lot of people out there. I mean, more and more. Listen, we have our society. Overnight, we just became a society of victimhood. At first, everything at first is always meant for a good cause. It's just like we did need to recognize various groups. We need to recognize, hey, we need to care for these people.
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E917 Ask Nick - My Boyfriend Stole My Job
We need to recognize our... But then it became like... It's just like one day, no one wanted to acknowledge... or wanted to be dyslexic because they didn't want to be weird. And then like overnight, it was like, at least I'm fucking dyslexic. So I can like at least have something to fit in with all the anxious people or the, you know, it's social currency.
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What's your time with me? Let's ask Nick your sexy questions.
This American Life
332: The Ten Commandments
You're right, it wasn't your own obsession at all. I developed a technique of seeing girls as just floating heads, you know. It's like you just learn you're just not going to look below the neck, you know, because it's like... There's only bad news there. Yeah.
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It did have this funny effect on... I mean, I was a cartoonist for my college newspaper, and I didn't actually know how to draw girls, really. I mean, you can see... That's right. You can see when I would draw a female figure top to bottom in a cartoon, there's an awkwardness to it. because I didn't actually know what they looked like.
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And those kind of things are kind of, it's funny to look back and talk about them now, but it was all very dead serious back then.
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Yeah, and there's this terrible, a real anger, a sense of unfairness at the media. Like, you know, Coors Light put up these billboards with women in swimsuits on them, and they were very well-designed swimsuits, and there they would be, right? Like right up in the sky, you know?
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And so you just felt like the devil was just absolutely this very wily opponent, and it's just in your face all the time, you know? And it's so frustrating if you're trying not to go out of your way to look for it, but then it seems like everybody's pushing it in your face.
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332: The Ten Commandments
You know, it's funny you should ask that because I have actually had that imaginary conversation before. You know, you see some time travel movie. Vanessa is like, wow, if I had a chance to go back, you know, what would I tell that kid? And I think I would tell myself, you know what?
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You spend so much time straining over this one issue that you are avoiding or overlooking the whole rest of your spiritual journey. I wasted a lot of time. There was a lot of time wasted obsessing. And I think that's kind of what you found out yourself too, right? It gets to the point where things crack instead of bending.