Derek Fordjour

Exactly. So they had a few iterations of it. But when we grew up, it was the first iteration from Alex Haley, the author who wrote Roots. And it was, I think, for a long time, like the most watched miniseries. Black, white, American households were obsessed with Roots. Yeah. And it created a narrative for African-Americans that...

Exactly. So they had a few iterations of it. But when we grew up, it was the first iteration from Alex Haley, the author who wrote Roots. And it was, I think, for a long time, like the most watched miniseries. Black, white, American households were obsessed with Roots. Yeah. And it created a narrative for African-Americans that...

that explained their roots in this very detailed, multi-generational story. The old African, you see Kunta Kinte as a young man, and then you see him as an old African. And so Kunta Kinte was in the lexicon, in the whole thing. And then years later, we found out that some of the details in that story were fabricated. that Alex Haley wrote. And so it wasn't all true.

that explained their roots in this very detailed, multi-generational story. The old African, you see Kunta Kinte as a young man, and then you see him as an old African. And so Kunta Kinte was in the lexicon, in the whole thing. And then years later, we found out that some of the details in that story were fabricated. that Alex Haley wrote. And so it wasn't all true.

When it came out, it was like, this is all true. This is factual. And that was part of the strength of it. And then years later, we found out that some of it wasn't true and it didn't matter because people needed a story. I think it also doesn't matter because all stories aren't true. Exactly. History is itself a fabrication. I love your bit about nations and anthems.

When it came out, it was like, this is all true. This is factual. And that was part of the strength of it. And then years later, we found out that some of it wasn't true and it didn't matter because people needed a story. I think it also doesn't matter because all stories aren't true. Exactly. History is itself a fabrication. I love your bit about nations and anthems.

You know, it's like, it's all. And so, I mean, I love both sides of that. That I knew it when it was factual and it was, and then when it was something that was falsified and it didn't matter. The power did not, the power of the story didn't change.

You know, it's like, it's all. And so, I mean, I love both sides of that. That I knew it when it was factual and it was, and then when it was something that was falsified and it didn't matter. The power did not, the power of the story didn't change.

Oh, Trevor, you say some of the wildest things. What are you talking about?

Oh, Trevor, you say some of the wildest things. What are you talking about?

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

No. That's true. But the art world... You're right. You're right.

No. That's true. But the art world... You're right. You're right.

I love the question, and I think about you that way. The shock I just had about what you just said, you have the authority, the moral authority, to make certain comments.

I love the question, and I think about you that way. The shock I just had about what you just said, you have the authority, the moral authority, to make certain comments.

But I mean, even publicly, right?

But I mean, even publicly, right?

This is what's hard about talking to you.

This is what's hard about talking to you.