Derek Thompson

The reason there's a poster politician divide is that Zoran Mamdani looks at the example of Jersey City just across the river where supply side reforms allowed them to build more housing, which pushed rents down, not just rent freeze, rents down.

And he said, I like that.

There are a lot of abundance-pilled folks who are housing advisors to the Mamdani administration, as maybe you were hearing from Katz, your guest the other day.

You want to call it practical?

If you want to call it a negotiation with practicalities, that's fine.

But I think it's important to say this is not just Mamdani.

Elizabeth Warren is the co-author of a very good, very promising housing bill that has a lot of abundance principles in it, even though I'm sure a lot of folks who work for Elizabeth Warren believe that I am brought to you by the Ellisons.

Chris Murphy, I think, is a progressive.

He's talked about abundance being something that can exist alongside economic populism.

James Tallarico, I know for a fact because I've spoken to him as someone who likes abundance and also talks about how the problems in America aren't left versus right, but up versus down, the 1% versus everyone else.

There again, you have economic populism and you have abundance.

Ro Khanna, another example of a progressive representative.

who on the one hand is definitely thought of as maybe like one of the most famous advocates of Medicare for all, which to a lot of people doesn't sound an idea that sort of leaps from the pages of abundance, and has also spoken not only publicly but also privately about how much he likes a lot of what's in abundance, especially the stuff about increasing state capacity or the effectiveness of governance.

I'm glad you pointed that out because I think that

Conflict is great media.

And so definitely don't make this the headline of the YouTube clip.

Conflict is good media.

That'll do a little better.

Yeah, I'm not going to get in on that, but feel free to make that the clip.

At the end of the day, like the cash value of politics is what happens in the world, right?