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Derek Thompson

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Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

But in exchange, OpenAI is going to get like 10% of AMD.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

I mean, it's like, I will buy a billion dollars from you if you give me a billion dollars worth of your stock.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

At some point, this whole thing just seems like some incredibly interconnected spider web evaluations.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

I guess I wonder how you see this as similar to or distinct from, say, the last bubble in tech, the dot-com bubble.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

Is there any reason to worry that a vendor financing model that worked for a stable economic sector, like car buying in the middle of the 20th century...

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

might, if applied to a brand new sector like AI in the 21st century, present a kind of risk that we haven't seen before and don't know how to fully map onto historical analog.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

Your final gauge, gauge five, you call funding quality and the coming credit strain.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

By your calculation, about $3 trillion in global data center CapEx is going to be spent in the next three years, $3 trillion.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

The big tech companies, which some call the hyperscalers, will be able to cover about half of that.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

And the bottom line is that the other half,

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

The other $1.5 trillion has to come from somewhere else.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

Maybe that somewhere else is private credit, securitized finance, new operators, maybe even governments.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

A lot of the data center spending, as Paul Kudrowski explained in our previous bubble episode, is happening off book.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

It's happening in special purpose vehicles where the hyperscalers are throwing some money into a box and private capital is throwing some money into that box.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

The box is going off and buying a data center, but it's off the books of the hyperscalers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

That makes it easier to demonstrate that these companies are profitable even though they're finding ways to finance the guts of artificial intelligence.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

Once again, maybe this works out.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

It just sounds incredibly messy to me.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

How messy does it seem to you?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

Let's try to sum up here, because we've gone through so much.