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Derek Thompson

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9152 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But if you have the misfortune of going to, say, Fred, the St.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Louis data website, and looking up housing starts in California between, say, 2021 and 2026, you do not see the publication of the book, Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson, in those statistics.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And that's pretty concerning.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

We said in our book, judge political movements by their outcomes.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

The bright side is maybe you could say it's too early to count our outcome successes, but the very fair criticism of our movement right now is where are the outcomes, especially in states like California, where the volume of abundance has been the loudest?

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That's why this year we did the most significant housing reforms in our state's history.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

We did something that hadn't been done in decades.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

We've tried to address land use reforms, what we call secret reforms.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

We have to deliver on big and bold things.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Trump breaks things.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Democrats need to build things, but we have to actually deliver on that promise.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

I definitely don't want to give the same answer to every question, but I hear the governor of California describing a legislative victory in terms that literally, quote our book, a liberalism that builds abundance.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

He's being asked questions by a late night host that are basically like LLM summaries of our book.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But then you look at the outcomes, and California still hasn't actually increased housing starts in the, what is it now, six months since that bill was signed, nine months after the debate over that bill really began.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That's not the fault of...

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That legislation necessarily, you could think of it a couple ways.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

You could think one, that there's a set of problems that have accumulated in California over the last 50 years that have made it harder to build housing.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And this is one important step to un-gunk that process.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Maybe that's an optimistic way to frame it.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Another way to frame it is that, you know, legislation is not the only ingredient when it comes to housing construction.