Derek Thompson

Oracle's stock jumped by 25% after being promised $60 billion a year from OpenAI, an amount of money OpenAI doesn't earn yet to provide cloud computing facilities that Oracle hasn't built yet, which will require 4.5 gigawatts of power, the equivalent of 2.25 Hoover dams, which America hasn't built yet.

But Azeem says it's too soon to panic.

Today, we talk about the steel man case that AI is not a bubble yet.

Like Paul, Azeem is a fantastic explainer and storyteller, and I'm satisfied that Plain English has now presented the strongest possible case for and against AI being the bubble of the 2020s.

And if you wanna know where I stand on this $10 trillion question,

You'll just have to listen to the end of the show.

I'm Derek Thompson.

This is Plain English.

Azim Azhar, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me, Derek.

So I did this interview with Paul Kudrowski on why artificial intelligence is one big fat bubble.

And it was one of the biggest episodes of the year.

And then I published a transcript of that article for my Substack.

And that was one of the most read newsletters I've ever published.

So clearly, this is a topic of massive interest.

and massive uncertainty.

And I wanted to give somebody really smart a chance to essentially push back on everything, persuade me that I'm wrong.

And your work was recommended more than anybody else's.

So here you are to persuade me that I'm wrong, that Paul's wrong, hopefully in a way that is mostly polite.

But if it gets impolite, I'm fine with that too.