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Derek Thompson

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The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

I had an interesting conversation last year when I was simultaneously working on Abundance and this cover story that I wrote for The Atlantic called The Antisocial Century.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And for that latter story, I talked to Bob Putnam, Robert Putnam, the author of Bowling Alone.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And he made this interesting point about technology, which he significantly blames for the rise of solitude in America.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

He said, too often, we adopt a technology and then we adopt that technology's values

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

without thinking about incorporating that technology into our values.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And so one example of his was the television.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And we're going to get to AI in a second.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

He said, with television...

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

You know, most people put a television in the room and then immediately started watching five, six hours of television a day.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It was as if the human body were designed by evolution to do nothing but sit on the couch and watch streaming images on a screen.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That's how immediately it insinuated itself into modern life.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That's different from, say, the Amish, which are very, very purposeful about almost screening a technology to ensure that it fit their values before incorporating it.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And so, for example, something like solar energy, which they say does fit their values, you can often find near Amish farms.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Whereas the television set, they said, it's going to interrupt the values that we have about family interconnectedness and time spent looking at other people in the face.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And so we're going to keep it out of our homes.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

I don't think that we should take the Amish approach to television with artificial intelligence.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

I don't think we should ban it.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But I do think we should take a kind of Amish light approach to thinking about incorporating this technology into our values rather than adopting the values of artificial intelligence mindlessly.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

What the latter would mean is

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

allowing data centers to be built absolutely anywhere, including in many places, as the Wall Street Journal reported, in places where residential developers are selling land that is needed for homes for people to data centers to build a house for computer chips.