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Derek Thompson

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9152 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It is one of the most important successful institutions in America.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

You cannot criticize it.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

You cannot touch it.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It exists in a kind of spectral plane that we can simply not broke any criticism of.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That's sort of one pro-establishment approach.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

The current anti-establishment MAGA approach essentially says...

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

For a variety of reasons that are too complicated for me to go into right now, we hate universities, we don't trust scientists, and we really don't like mRNA.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

So we're going to attack the universities.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

We're going to destroy a lot of their scientific programs.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

We're going to cut NIH grants by billions of dollars and also basically ban mRNA research because RFK and Donald Trump don't like it very much.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

That's catastrophic.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But then you come to category number three.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And the abundance liberal approach is not to say, how dare you attack the NIH, which is a perfect program.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It's celestial and you have no business criticizing it.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

It's to say, you know what?

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Current policy is horrific.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

But what's also quite embarrassing is the fact that according to their own testimony, American scientists that are funded by NIH spend up to 40% of their time filling out paperwork.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

These are the smartest people in the world that we've entrusted with coming up with the most important breakthroughs about the cosmos and the human body curing diseases.

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

And what do we do for almost half of their time?

The Ezra Klein Show
What We Got Right — and Wrong — in ‘Abundance’

Force them to check boxes.