Derek Thompson

Something very strange is happening in our politics when the administration's AI policy is written by the same person who is now suggesting that the White House's actions are teetering on the verge of Maoism.

So I wanted to talk to Dean about what he sees and why he thinks this episode is so important and potentially so terrifying.

Today's guest is Dean Ball.

We talk about the difference between Biden and Trump's approach to AI before diving into this anthropic mess and pulling out of it the bigger story, according to Dean.

But Trump's scattershot AI policy is just the latest sign that artificial intelligence's capabilities are growing faster than many people want to see or admit.

This technology is going somewhere fast, and the American government might not be prepared for where it's taking us.

I'm Derek Thompson.

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Dean Ball, welcome to the show.

Thanks so much for having me.

Tell me a little bit about your time with the Trump administration.