Derek Thompson

a great example of someone representing that the ideas of this book are central to his idea of the future of the Democratic Party. So I think that the early nominees abound, and right now they're mostly at the governor and representative level, but I think it's growing. I think people are picking up. In an interesting way, there are some politicians

a great example of someone representing that the ideas of this book are central to his idea of the future of the Democratic Party. So I think that the early nominees abound, and right now they're mostly at the governor and representative level, but I think it's growing. I think people are picking up. In an interesting way, there are some politicians

who have read this book in a clearer way than some of the critics, which is to say that we ask people very explicitly in the conclusion to see this book not as a list of the perfect policies to work everywhere, but rather as a lens that someone in San Francisco can look through that lens and see the right policies to increase housing production in San Francisco.

who have read this book in a clearer way than some of the critics, which is to say that we ask people very explicitly in the conclusion to see this book not as a list of the perfect policies to work everywhere, but rather as a lens that someone in San Francisco can look through that lens and see the right policies to increase housing production in San Francisco.

And then someone in Georgia can look through that lens and see the right policies to increase clean battery manufacturing in Georgia. And someone can look through that lens in the Commerce Department and say, next time we want to spend $40 billion in rural broadband, let's get that money out in nine months rather than not get the money out at all in four years. I see a lot of people...

And then someone in Georgia can look through that lens and see the right policies to increase clean battery manufacturing in Georgia. And someone can look through that lens in the Commerce Department and say, next time we want to spend $40 billion in rural broadband, let's get that money out in nine months rather than not get the money out at all in four years. I see a lot of people...

reading the project as it was intended, as a kind of mimetic inspiration for them to apply their own ideas about how is this going to work in Maryland? How is this going to work for upstate New York? How is this going to work for Pennsylvania? And I think that's cool. And it makes me optimistic that there's a lot of people that are reading the book in the way that we intended to be read.

reading the project as it was intended, as a kind of mimetic inspiration for them to apply their own ideas about how is this going to work in Maryland? How is this going to work for upstate New York? How is this going to work for Pennsylvania? And I think that's cool. And it makes me optimistic that there's a lot of people that are reading the book in the way that we intended to be read.

That's certainly true in the last 100 years. It was New Deal liberals who enlarged the government in the 1930s. It was Republicans who acquiesced to that larger government in the 1950s. And then starting in the 1970s, 1980s, it's typically been conservatives who tried to constrict government. Sometimes they failed. while liberals have typically tried to expand, certainly, taxing and spending.

That's certainly true in the last 100 years. It was New Deal liberals who enlarged the government in the 1930s. It was Republicans who acquiesced to that larger government in the 1950s. And then starting in the 1970s, 1980s, it's typically been conservatives who tried to constrict government. Sometimes they failed. while liberals have typically tried to expand, certainly, taxing and spending.

That's certainly true in the last 100 years. It was New Deal liberals who enlarged the government in the 1930s. It was Republicans who acquiesced to that larger government in the 1950s. And then starting in the 1970s, 1980s, it's typically been conservatives who tried to constrict government. Sometimes they failed. while liberals have typically tried to expand, certainly, taxing and spending.

But one thing that I was thinking as Ezra was talking, and I was just writing this down because I thought Ezra's answer was really lovely, but at a really high level, I thought, maybe you disagree with this, I thought about distinguishing between liberals and conservatives based on three factors. What each side fears, what each side values, and what each side tolerates.

But one thing that I was thinking as Ezra was talking, and I was just writing this down because I thought Ezra's answer was really lovely, but at a really high level, I thought, maybe you disagree with this, I thought about distinguishing between liberals and conservatives based on three factors. What each side fears, what each side values, and what each side tolerates.

But one thing that I was thinking as Ezra was talking, and I was just writing this down because I thought Ezra's answer was really lovely, but at a really high level, I thought, maybe you disagree with this, I thought about distinguishing between liberals and conservatives based on three factors. What each side fears, what each side values, and what each side tolerates.

I think liberals fear injustice and conservatives often fear cultural radicalism or the destruction of society. And as a result, they value different things. Liberals, I think, tend to value change. And at the level of government, that can mean change in terms of creating new programs that don't previously exist.

I think liberals fear injustice and conservatives often fear cultural radicalism or the destruction of society. And as a result, they value different things. Liberals, I think, tend to value change. And at the level of government, that can mean change in terms of creating new programs that don't previously exist.

I think liberals fear injustice and conservatives often fear cultural radicalism or the destruction of society. And as a result, they value different things. Liberals, I think, tend to value change. And at the level of government, that can mean change in terms of creating new programs that don't previously exist.

It's typically been liberals, for example, who've been trying to expand health coverage while conservatives have tried to cut it back. Just in the last few years, it was Biden who tried to add a bunch of programs, whether it was infrastructure, the Chips and Science Act, the IRA, and then Trump comes into office and is unwinding it. And then I also think they tolerate different things.

It's typically been liberals, for example, who've been trying to expand health coverage while conservatives have tried to cut it back. Just in the last few years, it was Biden who tried to add a bunch of programs, whether it was infrastructure, the Chips and Science Act, the IRA, and then Trump comes into office and is unwinding it. And then I also think they tolerate different things.

It's typically been liberals, for example, who've been trying to expand health coverage while conservatives have tried to cut it back. Just in the last few years, it was Biden who tried to add a bunch of programs, whether it was infrastructure, the Chips and Science Act, the IRA, and then Trump comes into office and is unwinding it. And then I also think they tolerate different things.